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Why did God create?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by robo, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. robo

    robo New Member

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    Greetings folks:

    Was your God ever happy just by herself without any universe or souls or pain or evil or pleasure or Hitler or earthquakes, etc. etc. to worry about?

    If yes, why did she not just remain quiet by herself, all blissful, with no unsatisfied need?

    Why did she have to engage in creation? Looks like your God is a lonely God who wants company, yes? Why worship an insecure God that cannot just be by herself?
     
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  2. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    maybe a deist gods exist thats a scientist and we are just an experiment
     
  3. dyanaprajna2011

    dyanaprajna2011 Dharmapala

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    This is one of the fundamental reasons why I ended up rejecting the idea of a personal creator god. All religions that teach this form of god, all claim that one of god's characteristics, or part of it's nature, is that it's perfect. However, if a being is perfect, it's not lacking in anything. But, the very fact that said deity created, shows a lack of some thing, and therefore, not perfect. It was missing something that it needed to create. Also, a perfect deity could not, by nature, created imperfection, and yet, it doesn't take alot to realize that this world is imperfect. So, I don't seen any reason to accept the idea of a personal creator god, as taught primarily by the Abrahamic religions. But like iti_oj said, this doesn't discount a deistic view of god.
     
  4. robo

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    Does this scientist then send infidels to eternal hellfire?:eek:
     
  5. robo

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    @dyanaprajna2011

    Indeed.

    It would be interesting how theists respond...

    I am aware that certain Abrahamic Gods, Allah, for instance, created for us to worship her. I already know that and our Muslim commentators may please refrain from quoting what I already know.

    The question is why did Allah need to be worshipped? :confused:
     
  6. zenzero

    zenzero Its only a Label

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    Friend robo,

    Who is this *God* you speaking of??

    *God* is a concept developed by humans for an understanding.
    Till one reaches to THAT understanding; the concept is not clear.
    Each one has to reach to THAT understanding himself/herself.

    Love & rgds
     
  7. robo

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    Dear Friend zenzero:

    I dont know. There are many claimants to the throne of the "one true God".

    As a student of philosophy of religion I just find that a God that was completely alone by herself at some point in time before creation would just continue in that state forever.

    The only other option left for the theist is that God and the universe are co-eternal. They always were.

    Creation never happened.
     
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  8. Madhuri

    Madhuri RF Goddess Staff Member Premium Member

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    God never created souls according to my religion. Souls were never created and can never be destroyed. They also represent a part of God that loves drama and thus here we areon this stage, playing the big drama of life.
     
  9. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule Well-Known Member

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    Of course you are. :)

    And you deep understanding of preternatural agency comes from where?
     
  10. robo

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    Ok. As I said earlier, this seems the only plausible way out...

    So, your God is not a creator God then.

    Why does she not grant salvation to everyone pronto? Why the delay?
     
  11. robo

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    I already made my case in the OP.

    But am always eager to learn from those more learned than me...If only they answered questions with answers.
     
  12. james2ko

    james2ko Well-Known Member

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    I see the glass half full. Perhaps God was happy and secure by himself but felt compelled to share the gift of life with billions of others.
     
  13. robo

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    Except that there are millions whom he created without any food.

    [​IMG]

    What a strange way for God to share the gift. Was this the best your God could do?
     
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  14. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule Well-Known Member

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    Here?
    :biglaugh:

    This kind of disingenuous drivel does little to secure you image as "a student of philosophy of religion".

    If only the questions were less adolescent. Nevertheless, you have a point ...

    If there is preternatural agency, I expect the references to it being happy, sad, angry, or contemptuous of childish rhetorical questions is little more than anthropopathic projection.

    See above.

    So the options were creation and remaining quiet? Who made up that rule?

    I assume that this anthropomorphism was intended as a display of sophistication. It didn't work.

    Obviously 'blissful' also falls under the category of anthropopathic projection. It's good to see you're consistent.

    The assertion that all action is driven by unsatisfied need is interesting, and it might be fun to discover what unsatisfied need drove you to create the OP. But tell me, on what grounds do you, as "a student of philosophy of religion", extend this 'rule' to the preternatural?

    Have to? Based on what.

    On the contrary, it looks like a pretty childish attempt to denigrate theism predicated upon equally childish assumptions.

    Leading questions such as this are best characterized by the maxime: garbage in, garbage out." But, since you request that we "answer questions with answers", my answer would be: "I can think of no reason to worship any god so ignorantly and disingenuously defined."
    "As a student of philosophy of religion", you'd better pray that they grade on a curve.
     
  15. robo

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    Phew...I had to search through so much to get to your answer.

    Now, please define God knowledgeably and honestly. Did she create or didnt she? The two options are indeed collectively exhaustive and mutually exclusive.
     
  16. james2ko

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    As I read the first few chapters of the book of Genesis, there's no indication God created that, mankind did. Mankind chose to do things his way instead of God's way and are reaping the consequences.
     
  17. robo

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    Was there a point in time when only your God was without the universe?
     
  18. Thorbjorn

    Thorbjorn Ek em Þórsmaðr Staff Member Premium Member

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    According to Adi Shankara, a great Hindu philosopher and founder of the Advaita school of philosophy, creation is the recreation and play of God (Ishvara).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita...ta#.C4.AAsvara

     
  19. BruceDLimber

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    From the Baha'i scriptures:

    “O SON OF MAN!
    “Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image, and revealed to thee My beauty. “
    ―The Hidden Words, Part One, #4


    Best! :)

    Bruce
     
  20. robo

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    Perhaps I can ask you the same question I asked Madhuri. It appears that the Hindu God is not a creator God.

    Can your God grant instant salvation for all? Why delay things? Just let us reach the end-state pronto.
     
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