Why did God become a man and not a woman in Jesus in Christian teachings?

[Soapy]

You said my reading was wrong.
Can you cite where what you are claiming is actually said?

Is your faith not Christianity then?

To better understand how to answer you, I first need to know something about your belief otherwise everything would be pointless since Christian belief does not include things about ‘GODS’ nor ‘offsprings of God’ in terms of procreated beings.

‘Offsprings of God’ is the same as ‘Sons / Children of God’ which I explained to you means:

• ‘He who does the Will of [God]’
• ‘He who is led by the spirit of God’

It has nothing to do with procreated beings - in Christianity such beliefs are pagan - false beliefs.

 

[YoursTrue]

Is your faith not Christianity then?

To better understand how to answer you, I first need to know something about your belief otherwise everything would be pointless since Christian belief does not include things about ‘GODS’ nor ‘offsprings of God’ in terms of procreated beings.

‘Offsprings of God’ is the same as ‘Sons / Children of God’ which I explained to you means:

• ‘He who does the Will of [God]’
• ‘He who is led by the spirit of God’

It has nothing to do with procreated beings - in Christianity such beliefs are pagan - false beliefs.

Have you yet answered as to which translation you like to use (and why you like to use it)?

 

[Soapy]

You said my reading was wrong.
Can you cite where what you are claiming is actually said?

I answered you in the following post.

You wrote of GODS (plural deities) … That is not Christian teaching:

3. How did the Gods make male and female in their image if there is no male or female in the spirit world?

The one God, in Christianity is not gendered. When this one God created man, Adam, the man was in gendered, like the one God who created him: in His image he created the man! It was AFTERWARDS when God asked the man to choose a companion from among the animals (that was not for sexual reasons - just companionship like how women now choose cats and dogs and pigs as companions even calling the animals ‘My children!’) The man wisely chose NONE. And so God took TRAITS of softer aspects (called ‘Rib’) out if the man and fashioned these into another human being which the man called ‘Wo-Man’ (Ish-Shah in Hebrew) because, said the man, ‘She was TAKEN OUT OF MAN’ and therefore, in order to PROCREATE a man AND a WO-Man need to RE-UNITE to achieve offspring. That’s how there came to be a ‘He’ and a ‘She’. God does not take out of himself and make ‘another God’ so God remains UNGENDERED ETERNALLY.

2. Paul reefers to us as God's offspring. (Acts 17). This does not fit with the crater only idea.

Paul speaks of ‘SONS OF GOD’ or ‘CHILDREN OF GOD’ in respect of THOSE WHO FULLY CARRY OUT THE WORKS OF GOD.

I show you and wrote to you saying that ‘Sons’ (‘children) in scriptures MEANS:

• “He who does the works of the Father/God”
• “He who is led by the spirit of the Father/God”

Paul uses ‘Children’ so as to include females as well as males to show that women are to also do their Godly duties and become ‘offsprings’ also just like their male folk. There is nothing unusual in using this methods of speech when addressing a congregation of likeminded persons.

God does not PROCREATE (have offspring born through sexual intercourse). God only CREATES.

1. Son of God in Job is in reference to when the earth was forming so way before we had physical bodies.

There is nothing here to debate. Sons of God simply refers to ANGELS of Heaven who do the Will of God (remember the definition of ‘Son’!!?)
Angels always are led by the spirit of God, they always do the Will of God (I’m not counting those who were tempted away by Satan and became demonic angels).

In fact, THE very FACT that ‘Sons of God’ are mentioned in Job shows that the term, ‘Son’ and ‘Sons’ refer to DOERS OF THE WILL OF GOD.

 

[Soapy]

Have you yet answered as to which translation you like to use (and why you like to use it)?

I have answered you so your continual questioning is pointless - What are you hoping to achieve from flogging a dead horse except to waste you post (energy!)

All translations are flawed. Therefore the truth is not in the explicit translation (Bible name) but in the understanding of where the errors and mis-translations are and how to re-establish the truth thereafter. This comes from understand what scriptures is truly about and why the discrepancies are there - basically to mislead the reader!

If you ask me about a specific Bible name, I find the King James version II easier to read BUT this translation also contains errors just like all Bible names AND was especially commissioned by the king for his desired reading and claimed understanding.

I have a JW Bible but that has tiny writing and flimsy pages. I’ve read SDA Bible but I’m in no way enthralled by Ellen White’s views…

You keep asking and I keep telling you that it’s the EASE OF READING…

 

[Truth in love]

Is your faith not Christianity then?

To better understand how to answer you, I first need to know something about your belief otherwise everything would be pointless since Christian belief does not include things about ‘GODS’ nor ‘offsprings of God’ in terms of procreated beings.

‘Offsprings of God’ is the same as ‘Sons / Children of God’ which I explained to you means:

• ‘He who does the Will of [God]’
• ‘He who is led by the spirit of God’

It has nothing to do with procreated beings - in Christianity such beliefs are pagan - false beliefs.

I am a Christian. I’m not the most traditional. I put the words of prophets and apostles far above the opinions of scribes and pastors.


The word translated into God in Gen is plural.

That we are Gods children is also clearly taught.
There is nothing pagan about this.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Title question
I just was wondering about this today

Also how did they find out God's pronoun before Jesus?

In 1500BCE there were goddess cults all over the place. By 500CE, there weren't any. Men usurped the power from females. Christianity was born during the patriarchal time.

 

[YoursTrue]

I have answered you so your continual questioning is pointless - What are you hoping to achieve from flogging a dead horse except to waste you post (energy!)

All translations are flawed. Therefore the truth is not in the explicit translation (Bible name) but in the understanding of where the errors and mis-translations are and how to re-establish the truth thereafter. This comes from understand what scriptures is truly about and why the discrepancies are there - basically to mislead the reader!

If you ask me about a specific Bible name, I find the King James version II easier to read BUT this translation also contains errors just like all Bible names AND was especially commissioned by the king for his desired reading and claimed understanding.

I have a JW Bible but that has tiny writing and flimsy pages. I’ve read SDA Bible but I’m in no way enthralled by Ellen White’s views…

You keep asking and I keep telling you that it’s the EASE OF READING…

ok, I must have missed it. So King james Version is your first source. I must agree that it is a good translation, of course archaic language is used in the traditional KJV. Anyway, while you have your viewpoints and I have mine, I do not consider you a specialist in understanding the Bible. Have a nice evening.

 

[Soapy]

I am a Christian. I’m not the most traditional. I put the words of prophets and apostles far above the opinions of scribes and pastors.


The word translated into God in Gen is plural.

That we are Gods children is also clearly taught.
There is nothing pagan about this.

What does ‘Children of God’ mean to you?

To me, it means, ‘Those who do the Will of God’. It is not a reference to a procreated offspring.

God, Spirit, does not procreate.
Spirit only CREATES.

 

[Soapy]

ok, I must have missed it. So King james Version is your first source. I must agree that it is a good translation, of course archaic language is used in the traditional KJV. Anyway, while you have your viewpoints and I have mine, I do not consider you a specialist in understanding the Bible. Have a nice evening.

Of course you wouldn’t. It’s hard to know that what you are doing is not right even when multiple readings in scriptures do not align themselves - you hand to fudge them to make them fit much like the church of the Middle Ages demanded that the earth was the centre of the universe but it forced the astronomers to FUDGE the calculations to make it seem so. Copernicus and Galileo showed the truth that the earth was just another planet circling the sun but they were persecuted for telling the truth… Sad but that’s often the way: Satan isn’t sleeping!

 

[Truth in love]

What does ‘Children of God’ mean to you?

To me, it means, ‘Those who do the Will of God’. It is not a reference to a procreated offspring.

God, Spirit, does not procreate.
Spirit only CREATES.

The Bible says otherwise.

• Our bodies were created in God’s image (Gen. 1:26–27).
• Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us, Mal. 2:10.
• Ye are the children of the Lord your God, Deut. 14:1.
• Ye are gods and all of you are children of the Most High, Ps. 82:6.
• Ye are the sons of the living God, Hosea 1:1
• Ye are gods, children of the most High, Ps. 82:6.
• We are the offspring of God, Acts 17:29.
• Be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, Heb. 12:9.
• The Spirit itself beareth witness that we are the children of God, Rom. 8:16.
• Is it not written in your law that ye are gods, John 10:34
• Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, Matt. 5:48
  
• We may become heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, Rom. 8:17.
• Thou art a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ, Gal. 4:7.
• When he shall appear, we shall be like him, 1 Jn. 3:2.
• To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne, Rev. 3:21.

I've got to say if this is meant to mean we are just some aforethought creation and of no real relation to God the writers of the Bible really failed to be clear. Short of the need for Christ, God giving commandments and us sinning to us this is one of the most widely taught ideas throughout the Bible

 

[Soapy]

The Bible says otherwise.

• Our bodies were created in God’s image (Gen. 1:26–27).
• Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us, Mal. 2:10.
• Ye are the children of the Lord your God, Deut. 14:1.
• Ye are gods and all of you are children of the Most High, Ps. 82:6.
• Ye are the sons of the living God, Hosea 1:1
• Ye are gods, children of the most High, Ps. 82:6.
• We are the offspring of God, Acts 17:29.
• Be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, Heb. 12:9.
• The Spirit itself beareth witness that we are the children of God, Rom. 8:16.
• Is it not written in your law that ye are gods, John 10:34
• Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, Matt. 5:48
  
• We may become heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, Rom. 8:17.
• Thou art a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ, Gal. 4:7.
• When he shall appear, we shall be like him, 1 Jn. 3:2.
• To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne, Rev. 3:21.

I've got to say if this is meant to mean we are just some aforethought creation and of no real relation to God the writers of the Bible really failed to be clear. Short of the need for Christ, God giving commandments and us sinning to us this is one of the most widely taught ideas throughout the Bible

We are BORN in the image of God but we do not REMAIN in the image of God as soon as we start to sin…. And all mankind sins because of Adam. Jesus was not born of Adam and did not inherit the sin nature but remained in the image of God.

So, no, God is absolutely clear through his word. It is the untruthful misinterpretation that causes the problem.

A Son of God is one who does the Will of God.

That’s it!

We BECOME Sons of God WHEN we are doing the Will of God. And that is why Jesus Christ is said to be the ONLY SON OF GOD.

Why?

Because Jesus Christ is the only man who is doing, wholly, the Will of God:

• “I said only that God is my Father. If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;“ (John 10:37)
• “For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.” (Romans 8:14)
  
• “But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.“ (Matthew 5:44-45)

This latter verse speaks of ‘Becoming’ a Son of God if you do the Will of God. You posted a verses yourself of ‘Becoming Heirs’ to God. If all are Sons of God already then how can they be BECOMING HEIRS!
There has to be a state of NOT SONS and NOT HEIRS for there to be a BECOMING so.

Even Jesus was DECLARED as a Son of God ONLY AFTER (or as he was being) he was baptised and later to fulfil the prophesy:

• “To which of the angels did God ever say:
• “In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”(Hebrews 5:5)
• “I proclaim the decree: ‘ You are my Son, this day I have BECOME your Father!’ (Psalm 2:7)
• “For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?” (Hebrews 1:5)

These verses above express the finalisation of a ceremony of ADOPTION! God adopts Jesus as ‘Son’. He BECOMES Father to one who has proved himself as worthy of being a Son.

A ‘child’ of God does the Will of God. In contrast, a ‘Son’ of Satan does the Will of Satan:

• “Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.“ (John 8:42-44)

What does the verse above tell you? Are wicked people BORN from Satan? Or do they BECOME so because they DO THE WILL OF SATAN?

 

[Truth in love]

We are BORN in the image of God but we do not REMAIN in the image of God as soon as we start to sin…. And all mankind sins because of Adam. Jesus was not born of Adam and did not inherit the sin nature but remained in the image of God.

So, no, God is absolutely clear through his word. It is the untruthful misinterpretation that causes the problem.

A Son of God is one who does the Will of God.

That’s it!

We BECOME Sons of God WHEN we are doing the Will of God. And that is why Jesus Christ is said to be the ONLY SON OF GOD.

Why?

Because Jesus Christ is the only man who is doing, wholly, the Will of God:

• “I said only that God is my Father. If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;“ (John 10:37)
• “For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.” (Romans 8:14)
  
• “But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.“ (Matthew 5:44-45)

This latter verse speaks of ‘Becoming’ a Son of God if you do the Will of God. You posted a verses yourself of ‘Becoming Heirs’ to God. If all are Sons of God already then how can they be BECOMING HEIRS!
There has to be a state of NOT SONS and NOT HEIRS for there to be a BECOMING so.

Even Jesus was DECLARED as a Son of God ONLY AFTER (or as he was being) he was baptised and later to fulfil the prophesy:

• “To which of the angels did God ever say:
• “In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”(Hebrews 5:5)
• “I proclaim the decree: ‘ You are my Son, this day I have BECOME your Father!’ (Psalm 2:7)
• “For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?” (Hebrews 1:5)

These verses above express the finalisation of a ceremony of ADOPTION! God adopts Jesus as ‘Son’. He BECOMES Father to one who has proved himself as worthy of being a Son.

A ‘child’ of God does the Will of God. In contrast, a ‘Son’ of Satan does the Will of Satan:

• “Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.“ (John 8:42-44)

What does the verse above tell you? Are wicked people BORN from Satan? Or do they BECOME so because they DO THE WILL OF SATAN?

There are some figurative references, that does not mean they all are. Offering is not a figurative term.

 

[Link]

We are BORN in the image of God but we do not REMAIN in the image of God as soon as we start to sin…. And all mankind sins because of Adam. Jesus was not born of Adam and did not inherit the sin nature but remained in the image of God.

So, no, God is absolutely clear through his word. It is the untruthful misinterpretation that causes the problem.

A Son of God is one who does the Will of God.

That’s it!

We BECOME Sons of God WHEN we are doing the Will of God. And that is why Jesus Christ is said to be the ONLY SON OF GOD.

Why?

Because Jesus Christ is the only man who is doing, wholly, the Will of God:

• “I said only that God is my Father. If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;“ (John 10:37)
• “For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.” (Romans 8:14)
  
• “But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.“ (Matthew 5:44-45)

This latter verse speaks of ‘Becoming’ a Son of God if you do the Will of God. You posted a verses yourself of ‘Becoming Heirs’ to God. If all are Sons of God already then how can they be BECOMING HEIRS!
There has to be a state of NOT SONS and NOT HEIRS for there to be a BECOMING so.

Even Jesus was DECLARED as a Son of God ONLY AFTER (or as he was being) he was baptised and later to fulfil the prophesy:

• “To which of the angels did God ever say:
• “In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”(Hebrews 5:5)
• “I proclaim the decree: ‘ You are my Son, this day I have BECOME your Father!’ (Psalm 2:7)
• “For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?” (Hebrews 1:5)

These verses above express the finalisation of a ceremony of ADOPTION! God adopts Jesus as ‘Son’. He BECOMES Father to one who has proved himself as worthy of being a Son.

A ‘child’ of God does the Will of God. In contrast, a ‘Son’ of Satan does the Will of Satan:

• “Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.“ (John 8:42-44)

What does the verse above tell you? Are wicked people BORN from Satan? Or do they BECOME so because they DO THE WILL OF SATAN?

Salam

According to the Gospels of Ahlulbayt (a) (words of Isa in form of Injeel handed to Mohammad (s) and taught portion of by Imams (a)), the word "son" is akin to what Quran describes as "Muqarab". Close (one) to God. A Portion of the Gospel | Jesus through Shiite Narrations | Al-Islam.org (see the 5th narration for the long Gospel of Auli-Mohammad (S)).

The Quran sometimes shows in a general meaning, all believers have proximity to God, same with the Tanakh, sometimes believers all can be "sons of God". Sometimes its the close ones to God from Angels, and hence refers to them.

Sometimes in Quran, though, the close ones to God means the best of the best, mainly Prophets and their successors. Women wise its Sarah, Mariam, etc, people chosen and exalted and nearer to God then other believers.

So you have "the only proximate to/son of God", this means the one who is the door to God and exalted way above all others at that time. Isa (a) was at that time when he was a Messenger, the only exalted one. John died. Elijah came back but was hidden.

Remember the thread about oneness of God and Isa (a). He says Jews are taking his statements out of context, he shows "sons of God" in general meaning (believers wise), and so is saying, the context gives the meaning.

The verse with "Janballah" would literally mean God has an upper leg part, the thigh. In reality it means "the one right beside God", or God's closest one, and is about the proximity of two bows/arches or closer still, and according to Imam Ali (a) it refers to the station of the Imam of the time. So perhaps, "the only son..." had a meaning of something more akin to this.

 

[Soapy]

There are some figurative references, that does not mean they all are. Offering is not a figurative term.

Please expand on what you are saying … where does ‘figurative’ come into the discussion?

Or ‘offering’… How is this linked to the discussion?

 

[Soapy]

Salam

According to the Gospels of Ahlulbayt (a) (words of Isa in form of Injeel handed to Mohammad (s) and taught portion of by Imams (a)), the word "son" is akin to what Quran describes as "Muqarab". Close (one) to God. A Portion of the Gospel | Jesus through Shiite Narrations | Al-Islam.org (see the 5th narration for the long Gospel of Auli-Mohammad (S)).

The Quran sometimes shows in a general meaning, all believers have proximity to God, same with the Tanakh, sometimes believers all can be "sons of God". Sometimes its the close ones to God from Angels, and hence refers to them.

Sometimes in Quran, though, the close ones to God means the best of the best, mainly Prophets and their successors. Women wise its Sarah, Mariam, etc, people chosen and exalted and nearer to God then other believers.

So you have "the only proximate to/son of God", this means the one who is the door to God and exalted way above all others at that time. Isa (a) was at that time when he was a Messenger, the only exalted one. John died. Elijah came back but was hidden.

Remember the thread about oneness of God and Isa (a). He says Jews are taking his statements out of context, he shows "sons of God" in general meaning (believers wise), and so is saying, the context gives the meaning.

The verse with "Janballah" would literally mean God has an upper leg part, the thigh. In reality it means "the one right beside God", or God's closest one, and is about the proximity of two bows/arches or closer still, and according to Imam Ali (a) it refers to the station of the Imam of the time. So perhaps, "the only son..." had a meaning of something more akin to this.

In Christianity…, ‘Son’ means:

• ‘He who does the Will of God’

There is nothing more or less to it.

Angels in Heaven all do the Will of God and hence they are called ‘Sons of God’.

On earth, Jesus is the only sinless man and therefore the only one who is fully and consistently doing the Will of God. Jesus continually states that he is doing the work of God and that everything he does is attributed to what God taught him to say and do. Nothing is of himself.

The best ambassador is one who does the Will of the king who taught him what to say and do when he is sent to a foreign nation. The ambassador would state what (and only do what) his King taught him to say and do… and if contested, he would say:

• ‘I do nothing of myself, so believe me or not - yet this is what I was sent by my King to say to you and to do to/for you!’

On return, or on advice of feedback, the King says to the dutiful ambassador:

• ‘Well done my good man: You are as a Son - a very image of myself in duty!’

This is how I see the reference. I cannot speak for your belief since I am completely unfamiliar with it and I am unqualified in such areas of non-Christian debate.

 

[Truth in love]

Please expand on what you are saying … where does ‘figurative’ come into the discussion?

Or ‘offering’… How is this linked to the discussion?

sorry offspring (love auto correct fails).

The clear message from the prophets is that we are God's children and heirs if we are faithful.

The figurative examples of our being adopted are valid, but so to is our being literal spiritual children of God.

 

[Link]

In Christianity…, ‘Son’ means:

• ‘He who does the Will of God’

There is nothing more or less to it.

Angels in Heaven all do the Will of God and hence they are called ‘Sons of God’.

On earth, Jesus is the only sinless man and therefore the only one who is fully and consistently doing the Will of God. Jesus continually states that he is doing the work of God and that everything he does is attributed to what God taught him to say and do. Nothing is of himself.

The best ambassador is one who does the Will of the king who taught him what to say and do when he is sent to a foreign nation. The ambassador would state what (and only do what) his King taught him to say and do… and if contested, he would say:

• ‘I do nothing of myself, so believe me or not - yet this is what I was sent by my King to say to you and to do to/for you!’

On return, or on advice of feedback, the King says to the dutiful ambassador:

• ‘Well done my good man: You are as a Son - a very image of myself in duty!’

This is how I see the reference. I cannot speak for your belief since I am completely unfamiliar with it and I am unqualified in such areas of non-Christian debate.

Thanks, can the word have both dimensions? That to be close to God, you have to do God's will, and if you do God's will, you are close to God. This way, it's layered but they are double implications of each other (closeness and obedience to God).

Creation in a hadith is said to be God's family (all creation), this can mean he cares about them and is from point of view of how much God cares. I'm saying this because every parable is contextual.

When humans are called "children of God", it may mean, they are meant to obey God and meant to please him, and have a duty towards him with addition they are created through his image, and hence, this is about their potential.

When Angels and good humans are called "children of God" in a different sense, it can mean they fulfilled that potential, obeyed God and did their duty and proximity is proportional to acting to the will of God .

And when Isa (a) is called "the only son of God" it can mean he is at that point, the only one who is that close to God and this is due to his degree of obedience to God. No one comes close to that station of proximity to God and how much he obeys God, so this way "only son of God" makes sense when compared to others of his time.

 

[Soapy]

Thanks, can the word have both dimensions? That to be close to God, you have to do God's will, and if you do God's will, you are close to God. This way, it's layered but they are double implications of each other (closeness and obedience to God).

Creation in a hadith is said to be God's family (all creation), this can mean he cares about them and is from point of view of how much God cares. I'm saying this because every parable is contextual.

When humans are called "children of God", it may mean, they are meant to obey God and meant to please him, and have a duty towards him with addition they are created through his image, and hence, this is about their potential.

When Angels and good humans are called "children of God" in a different sense, it can mean they fulfilled that potential, obeyed God and did their duty and proximity is proportional to acting to the will of God .

And when Isa (a) is called "the only son of God" it can mean he is at that point, the only one who is that close to God and this is due to his degree of obedience to God. No one comes close to that station of proximity to God and how much he obeys God, so this way "only son of God" makes sense when compared to others of his time.

I would agree that it is the same.

Yes, the gospel of John has a verse that says that Jesus is in the bosom of God… which is the same as saying that he is in closeness to God.

Now figure this: At the same time trinitarian still say that Jesus Christ IS GOD… Jesus Christ, who they say IS GOD ‘is in the bosom of GOD which means he IS GOD’, says the trinitarian!!!?

And Jesus, who the trinitarian claims IS GOD, BECOMES HEIR TO GOD after he is taken up to Heaven and seated next TO GOD after his resurrection, the trinitarian says. But then ask them what is an heir, you won’t get an answer that makes any sense (not that anything they said before that made any sense, anyway!)

This will help to understand Christian trinity mentality:

• In every running system there is the possibility of going off track, wayward, too high, too low, etc. The way to stay on track is to employ the system of FEEDBACK (positive or negative). This feedback adjusts the position of the running system and correct errors that have crept in in the direction of the running system.
• Trinitarians do not utilise the feedback system that is given to them. Notice that trinity does HAVE a feedback system - it just does not use it! Check out the nonsense I stated earlier about Jesus being God and Jesus being an heir… any credible feedback system employed would immediately show negative feedback requires setting in, in that someone cannot be God and an heir to God at any time. Nor can one be close to God and be God.
• I hope you can see why it’s difficult to debate or even discuss with trinitarian Christian’s about anything to do with Jesus Christ and/or God. The trinitarian lack of use of feedback means they never check on what they have state of their belief before or after stating something that is incongruous with what they stated before… it is important to their belief that no feedback is employed else the belief would collapse!

 

[Soapy]

sorry offspring (love auto correct fails).

The clear message from the prophets is that we are God's children and heirs if we are faithful.

The figurative examples of our being adopted are valid, but so to is our being literal spiritual children of God.

We are children of God IF WE ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

There is only one who is led by the spirit of God: Jesus Christ, hence Jesus is called “The only Son of God’.

The point of saying that we are children of God is that IF and WHEN we do the Will of God THEN we are his children.

It is agreed that every person has the POTENTIAL to be a child of God since we are all madd in his image. But we know that since the sin of Adam we are all SONS OF ADAM also… which means that we INHERIT the sin of Adam. If is that natal sin that separates us from being complete sons of God… (Jesus was not born of the seed of Adam so did not inherit the sin nature. He resisted the urge to sin and become like Adam!)

 

[Truth in love]

We are children of God IF WE ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

There is only one who is led by the spirit of God: Jesus Christ, hence Jesus is called “The only Son of God’.

The point of saying that we are children of God is that IF and WHEN we do the Will of God THEN we are his children.

It is agreed that every person has the POTENTIAL to be a child of God since we are all madd in his image. But we know that since the sin of Adam we are all SONS OF ADAM also… which means that we INHERIT the sin of Adam. If is that natal sin that separates us from being complete sons of God… (Jesus was not born of the seed of Adam so did not inherit the sin nature. He resisted the urge to sin and become like Adam!)

we were the sons of God shouting for joy along with Job back in the day. We can live up to that inheritance or reject it. That choice is massive, but we are Gods children regardless.