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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Estro Felino, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:38 AM.

  1. PruePhillip

    PruePhillip Well-Known Member

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    Were gods or God involved in the creation of it all? That's opinion, and science will remain
    silent about the Ultimate-Start-Of-It-All and the Reason-Why. But the fact that Genesis gets
    a lot right suggests something afoot. Other "creation myths" don't come close.
     
  2. ratiocinator

    ratiocinator Strange Loop

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    Genesis doesn't get a lot right. You're just labelling all the bits that obviously don't fit as "theological talk" and then desperately trying to persuade people that the rest is compatible with science. It's a joke - Genesis 1 is just plain wrong.
     
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  3. Subduction Zone

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    Of course you were babbling. And you forgot about a huge part of your post that I objected to:

    "So, dark, wet and sterile." <bolding mine>

    Also those articles appear to be making the error of assuming that there was as much water as there is today When the Earth first formed water would have been initially in the rocks that made up the Earth and that would have been released through volcanism. Even though continental crust took several hundreds of millions of years to form that does not mean that all land was below the sea. Higher areas with "oceanic crust" would still be dry land. The Earth has almost certainly never been "dark and wet". Genesis is wrong no matter how hard you bang away at that square peg.
     
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  4. PruePhillip

    PruePhillip Well-Known Member

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    We simply don't know. I suspect there probably were exposed outcrops, or even ice.
    Science teaches you nothing is simple. But generally, the great land masses didn't
    exist.
    Was it dark? Genesis says it was. Titan is considered an "earth analogue" and it's
    shrouded in clouds, like Venus. Its possible that most early earth-like planets began
    in a cloud phase - some stay in it, ie Venus.

    So yeah, science and bible say the early earth was sterile (sorry, prebiotic) dark
    and very very wet. Maybe even cold.
     
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    PruePhillip Well-Known Member

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    Specifics, please. I give them, why can't you?
     
  6. TagliatelliMonster

    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    Then what are you doing arguing it as if you think they are facts?

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    , and science will remain silent about the Ultimate-Start-Of-It-All[/quote]

    No, science is very much addressing "start of it all" in fields like physics, cosmology, etc.

    First try to establish that that is even a sensible question to begin with.
    Asking about "the reason why" before even establishing that there is a reason to ask about, is jumping the gun.


    By "fact", you mean your effort in doing your very best to retroactively force fit scientific findings into a bronze age text, while ignoring all the stuff that doesn't fit and while pretending that the things it gets wrong "aren't really meant like that"?

    The only thing this suggests, is your psychological defense mechanism to defend your faith-based beliefs as well as your obvious confirmation bias.

    Other creation myths can be read in the exact same way as you do with yours. Semantic games, denial and confirmation bias applies just the same.
     
  7. ratiocinator

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    Are you serious?

    The earth first.
    Then light.
    Then sky (!!).
    Then land an vegetation.
    Then the sun, the moon and the stars (!!!).
    Then sea creatures and birds.
    Then land animals.
     
  8. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Btw... in Italy we are taught Evolution as a religion since the 4th grade or earlier....
    As these drawings in this school notebook can attest

    img_3396.jpg
     
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    Christian creationism says we MUST improve to evolve to become new creatures . . . or perish.
     
  10. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Come on...are there really people out there who believe in the Adam and Eve story?
    Come on....tell me you're joking
     
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    Very nice drawing.
     
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  12. whirlingmerc

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    Darwin was "christian" in a torn sense

    His mother was more traditionally a Christian Ironically, Darwin's only degree was in Bible.
    His father's side another story not known well by evolutionists. His grandfather Erasmus was more of an occult evolutionist who already believed a the of evolution with 'everything from sea shells ' as his motto.

    Darwin was torn between those two worlds.

    Yes, England had a racial bend and even a nobel man was to be raise in the jungle by animals like Tarzan or Mogli they would end up on top
     
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