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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Estro Felino, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. shunyadragon

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    Both are unfortunately are unsubstantiated hypothesis for the history of the earth. life and our physical existence.
     
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    One of them physically unsubstantiated, other one both physically and spiritually.
     
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    So, how exactly does understanding Darwinism help you evolve? Are you suggesting the adoption of eugenics programs or what?
     
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    On the contrary ... it demands we improve ourselves morally.
     
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    Why creationism is a saner attitude than Darwinism.
    Not only Creationism answers many of our questions rationally but makes us closer to nature,
    because we do understand what we were (humans) and that we need to better ourselves. To grow
    in our humanity.

    Darwinism is dangerous because it says we don't need improvement.

    Come the year 1900 and there was great optimism in Western societies - the end of religious wars,
    monarchy, prejudice. All this was shattered with the deaths of nearly quarter of a billion people, killed
    through ideology, Marxism, Nationalism and Fascism. A brutal Darwinian world of nihilism, narcissism,
    anarchy, broken families, contempt of authority, drug abuse and the mainstreaming of vices like
    pornography, gambling, prostitution, smoking etc..
    No longer is there any "fall of man", man needs no correction - he did not fall at all. It is society, govt,.
    the bible, institutions that ought to be corrected.

    True creationism should take on board the fact that Genesis states that God commanded the seas to
    bring forth life, and that the sequence of events in that account accord perfectly with science's own
    view.
     
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  6. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    In Europe the theory of evolution is inculcated in little children's mind as if it were the Bible.
    Was I brainwashed? Probably....but I could say the same thing about Genesis.
     
  7. PruePhillip

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    God created the heavens
    and the earth
    and the earth was a cloud and ocean world
    and the skies cleared
    and continents rose
    and life emerged on the land
    and then in the sea
    and finally man.

    All narrated in symbolic and theological language.
    Sounds okay with me. How about you?
     
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    No branch of science is intended to be a moral guidepost for anything.

    I think you conflate the works of Darwin to those who attempted to use his discoveries for unsavory purposes, such as Herbert Spencer (Social Darwinism), Francis Galton (Eugenics) and various proponents of Scientific Racism or polygenism. In fact, it was Darwin himself who introduced Monogenism.

    As well as conflating the aforementioned perversions and misapplications of his discoveries ....

    It explains nothing. It takes explanations given by science then is absorbed into the religion and invokes god.

    Yes, he was.
    And no, he wasn't.
    As with the current beliefs in his time, and is expressed in his writings, Darwin considered non-Caucasian races as inferior. This influenced his philosophies, but did not seem to influence his scientific research.

    Darwin (and most of his family) were also ardent anti-slavery and also seemed to believe that all humans should be well treated, even the inferior ones.

    For his time, he was quite progressive in his views on race.

    In a letter to his sister Catherine Darwin, 22 May [– 14 July] 1833, from his travels in Brazil:

    I have watched how steadily the general feeling, as shown at elections, has been rising against Slavery.— What a proud thing for England, if she is the first Europæan nation which utterly abolishes it.— I was told before leaving England, that after living in Slave countries: all my opinions would be altered; the only alteration I am aware of is forming a much higher estimate of the Negros character. — it is impossible to see a negro & not feel kindly towards him; such cheerful, open honest expressions & such fine muscular bodies; I never saw any of the diminutive Portuguese with their murderous countenances, without almost wishing for Brazil to follow the example of Hayti.

    Top 10 Anti-Slavery Quotes From Charles Darwin – The Evolution Institute
     
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    Creationist don't say, we don't need improvement, but we do need improvement.
    I believe you got it backwards.
     
  10. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    I know it is a quote...but please do blur the N word.
     
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    I'm not sure why it has to be Darwinism (Evolution) or Creationism? I think it is likely that it could be either or both or neither.
     
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    I certainly agree that creationism, next to being simply incorrect, adds a few things that potentially results in very dangerous attitudes. Like not caring about climate change for example. Why would we care about what we do to the earth? Jesus will return and destroy everything anyway and then we'll live in a 1000 year paradise and/or enjoy eternal life and what-not. And indeed the idea that we humans are the point of the universe and other egotistical / narcistic notions like that.

    What I don't agree with, at all, is the idea of how evolution is about "making ourselves better" or anything even only remotely like that.

    Evolution theory addresses the process that life is subject to, just like relativity theory addresses physical processes that regulate gravity and what not.
    Or how plate tectonics addresses the processes that the earth's crust is subject to.

    None of it addres how it ought to be. It just addresses how it is and attempts to explain why it is like it is.
    No matter how we feel like we should be organizing society or how our social interactions should be like or whatever. Biological entities evolve through the process of biological evolution.
    No matter if we organize like nomads, communists, capitalists, facists, anarchists, community hippies,... no matter even if we would all kill ourselves and go extinct.


    What evolution DOES teach us, is that none of us are "special". We all come from the same source. Every human is my distant cousin. Every chimps is my further distant cousin. I'm literally connected to all life on this planet through my genetic heritage. I think there is awesome poetry in that.
     
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    Does not sound okay with me.
    For starters, the earth pretty much started out as a ball of molten lava, not as a ball of water.

    Furthermore, the earth was the result of matter clumping together through gravity in the accretion disque of our young sun. No gods required. Just gravity.
     
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    100% of evidence points to evolution.
    0% of evidence points to creationism

    No, it is the very opposite of "likely both or neither".

    What all the evidence points to, to is extremely likely.
    What none of the evidence points to, is extremely unlikely.
     
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    Wondering how anyone can believe that a 2000 year old belief system with billions of adherents that has spread to practically every country on earth has managed to achieve this without consistently changing and adjusting?

    There are very few belief systems that have proved to be more adaptable

    Just look at all the different 'brands' of Christianity in existence and you'll see how much it must have changed from its origins as a small Jewish sect.
     
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    Need clarification, because it is incoherent as stated.
     
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    It's not saner because it has benefits, though...
    And nor is it Darwinism (his initial theories have been improved upon).
     
  18. shunyadragon

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    The science of evolution makes not such bazzarre claim.

    Evolution theory addresses the process that life is subject to, just like relativity theory addresses physical processes that regulate gravity and what not. Or how plate tectonics addresses the processes that the earth's crust is subject to. [/quote]

    Maybe OK, but not clear.
     
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    It's a nice story. But it has very little to do with actual history as far as I can see.
     
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    Wha... what do you think the "actual history" is?
     
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