firedragon
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Not sure why you have concluded that from what was offered.
But that is life and I wish you always well and happy. Regards Tony
When you cherry pick from someones statement, you could make a snippet, your reality.
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Not sure why you have concluded that from what was offered.
But that is life and I wish you always well and happy. Regards Tony
Errm. Again, the Bahais have a more comprehensive collection of books written by Bahais about other religions from the light of the Bahai faith. If you say thats not the case, thats fine. You dont have to go explaining again about who Shirazi, his teaching, that he is like Yahya, etc etc etc.
I really cant understand why you guys have to get so affected by these simple statements. If you dont think that the Bahais have a comprehensive collection of books about other faiths, just say no, and provide some other faith or religion that does, and I will concede.
Peace.
Name it!How reliable is a history of a tyrannical governance hell bent on eradicating every trace of a proclaimed new Message from God? Totally unreliable is the answer, as history has proved.
What victims?So Who actually gets to tell of the truths from these events. It is eventually the victims that show what really happened.
What tyrants?The most frustrating thing here is, is that people still choose to give any credibility to the tyrants, mostly fake news.
Oh please! Son't!There were few Bab'i that committed crimes in the passion of the times against all advice not to do so. They paid for their crimes. To slaughter and hold many others responsible for their crimes is unlawful and unjust. The courts found they acted by self motivation and exonerated the innocent.
Regards Tony
What tyrants?
What fake news?
Most of the fake news and history is from Bahai imo.
This post makes no sense at. If you no longer wish to converse, I accept that. You have started an OP asking about the Baha'i Faith. I hope we have been helpful with your enquiries. All the best.
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, even if they are not based on solid facts.
It depends if one wants to find justice.
Regards Tony
No..... you had no solid facts to offer Tony.Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, even if they are not based on solid facts.
It depends if one wants to find justice.
Regards Tony
There is definitely an urgent need for a book for Baha'is that helps them better understand Hinduism and the people of the Indian subcontinent.
Not much of a book, more just a long essay.I have come to understand since of late that the Bahai's have a comprehensive collection of writings about all faiths with their light. I can't find the other book by Moojenn Momen about Hinduism.
You have not understood. You are making an assumption about what submission or SLM Silm means in the Quran without reading the book
Whats most important is when someone tells you that you are wrong, you should have the humility to correct your opinion or study the book and make your own informed opinion.
That is assumption without obtaining facts.
Thus any opinion from there is based on that assumption.
Regards Tony
Regards Tony
I agree and it is your thread as to 'Why Baha' i'? Thus you will get a Baha'i viewpoint on the Quran. The fact I was inspired to read the Quran was because of the Messages of both the Bab and Baha'u'llah, that should give some food for thought.
The Muslim clergy had a hard time with the explanations given by the Bab and Baha'u'llah, though they could never refute the validity of the argument. I expect many will still have the same Issues. Allah's Will is world embracing, it always has been and Muslims have failed to let go of names and find Allah's all embracing Will. I see that Muhammad and the Quran are enshrined in all the Messengers Revelations that Allah has gifted mankind.
Thus the submission I have currently learned is standing firm in that Will, regardless of the consequence, regardless how others may view that stance.
I agree I lack humility, I see I will always be a work in progress. Submission is harder to learn in adult life, if as a child you were not taught the concept.
Regards Tony
No..... you had no solid facts to offer Tony.
You make claims about tyrants and then just collapse in to rhetoric.
Everything about Baha'i is like that.
When I spoke of humility I was quoting the Quran. Everything I said about submissions as you called it, I was quoting the Quran. Everything. None of what I said is my opinion.
Thus please dont speak of your personal humility because I have asked and you have responded a lot, and you have humility. And I respect that. I was quoting the Quran brother, I was not speaking about you. Because you are a humble person.
I don't know if you've ever read this: "A Modest Proposal: Recommendations Toward the Revitalization of the American Baha'i Community". Here's some excepts:Does anyone here have a link to a covenant breaker site? When I search, it never says that. I'd like to see for myself the difference between Dr. Cole's criticism and that of a Covenant breaker. Currently I can't tell the difference.
That's great for the Quran and your Baha'i writings, but would you have submitted to the laws in the Bible that require the stoning of the people that break those laws? Or, since Baha'is believe a lot of the Bible is meant to be symbolic... is that only a "spiritual" stoning?I see submission is following the laws and guidance as given by Muhammad, the Messenger of God. That guidance and those laws become our thoughts and the way of life. Death is preferable than rejection of Muhammad and the Quran.
Regards Tony
Yes I do recall reading all that a while back.I don't know if you've ever read this: "A Modest Proposal: Recommendations Toward the Revitalization of the American Baha'i Community". Here's some excepts:
"No objective observer could fail to recognize the signal growth and maturation of the American Baha'i community since its inception 91 years ago... (This was 1988)… However, there is clear and compelling evidence that the fortunes of the United States Baha'i community have stagnated... In the 1960s and early '70s,10,000 declarations a year, many among young people, were not unusual. Since 1974, enrollments have hovered around the 3,000 per year level... Youth declarations have dropped...19,000 Baha'i youth in the American Baha'i community in the peak year (1971) has declined to a total of 2,800 in 1987...(A)lmost 50 percent of our community are "address unknown"-a figure that likely indicates increasing inactivity and alienation among the believers...These are serious and troubling matters. But they are not new, nor are they insurmountable... The purpose of this essay is to attempt a beginning at the discussion of potential remedies for our plight."
The article goes on to list the problems and suggest solutions. At the end of the article the editor added:
"This article never appeared in print. The editors submitted it for "review" (in-house official Baha'i prepublication censorship) to the National Spiritual Assembly of the United States, and actually met with two members of that body in the spring of 1988. At National Convention in April 1988, the authors and editors were condemned for even thinking about publishing such a document. The editors, heart-broken, ceased publication of Dialogue. - Ed."
I'm beginning to think that the problem with these Baha'is that published the "Dialogue" magazine and Baha'is like Juan Cole were too progressive for the Baha'i Faith. The religion sounds so good, things like abolishing racial and gender prejudices and proposing a more equitable economic system. But the main purpose of the Baha'i Faith seems to be to get more people to sign a declaration card saying they believe in Baha'u'llah. Then the people get lost in a bureaucratic religious system.
This leads to the proselytizing problem. Baha'is used to say that Baha'is are "found" not "made". Their attitude was almost like they expected to mention the name "Baha'u'llah" and the things the Baha'i Faith stands for, like the oneness of religion, the oneness of man, and the oneness of God, and people would join up. And they did.
But then comes the boring stuff. The actual workings of the Baha'i Faith. It has a lot of administrative things they do, even at the local level. Each community has a meeting every 19 days. At the meeting they are supposed to come up with ideas on how to further "God's Cause". How to reach people in their city or town. Of course, since proselytizing is prohibited, it is called "teaching". They had to find ways to locate those people that are already Baha'is... they just didn't know it yet. I was one of those people, and two times I got involved with them and almost bought into it... almost. This is my third time. And, since I have the freedom to question and ask anything I want, some Baha'i see me like they see you... a hostile enemy of their religion. Here I thought it was just personally investigating the things they say are true.