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Why ask for proof and evidence?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Biblestudent_007, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. 9Westy9

    9Westy9 Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
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    So that you can be certain of things
     
  2. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    When you go to the Lamborghini dealership, why does the salesperson give you a price so high she knows you can never afford it? Why even set a price if they're going to make it impossible for you to purchase it?
     
  3. outhouse

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    more proof your POE
     
  4. Biblestudent_007

    Biblestudent_007 Active Member

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    Purchasing a Lamborghini is just acquiring ownership of a material possession ~ just like worldly riches . . . Theoretically you could have it all. Real estate,houses,own stocks, have lots of $money$ etc. . . .
     
  5. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    I think you missed my point: the price of the Lamborghini has nothing to do with your ability to afford it, and the standard of evidence we need to tell whether something is true has nothing to do with your ability to meet it.
     
  6. Oneatatime

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    It's not unreasonable to expect someone to substantiate their position with proof/evidence either when it's simply a matter of curiosity or if more seriously the views of others have a direct impact on an individuals life or issues they have an interest in.

    Granted there are some faith based assertions which have little or no consequences and therefore there is little point asking questions about because it's not worth the hassle when you know the person you're question can't supply you with a decent answer.

    Wanna believe in God. Knock yourself out :beach:
     
  7. Biblestudent_007

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    poe schmoe ya'll be asking for evidence - go to the forsenics lab . .
     
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    To maintain a false sense of control!
     
  9. Biblestudent_007

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    Perhaps God's Fingerprint is in Nature all around
     
  10. YmirGF

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    Perhaps those "fingerprints" are nothing more than people's imaginations...
     
  11. Jayhawker Soule

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    The more interesting question is this: Why do some find the request for evidence so inappropriate and uncomfortable?
     
  12. Biblestudent_007

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    Essentially, the burden falls on the person that is being asked to produce the evidence.
     
  13. Walkntune

    Walkntune Well-Known Member

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    Who is this we that needs a standard of evidence? For some healing of depression or different infirmities is all that is necessary.Is there a standard that is necessary?
    This is why you are saved by faith? The only standard of evidence that is necessary is the one that will take them across the river Jordan from their head to their heart!
     
  14. Jayhawker Soule

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    Essentially, you avoided the question thereby (interestingly enough) validating it.
     
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  15. Jayhawker Soule

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    I am sure than no sound person would ever accuse you of needing standards of evidence.
     
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  16. Walkntune

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    Is it possible for the burden to fall on the one who finds themself in need of the one they have no faith in?:shrug:
     
  17. 9Westy9

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    Sure. For starters, a demonstration that whatever healing is happening, it occurs at a greater rate than is expected by random chance, and evidence that the cause you suggest is responsible as opposed to something else.

    Another handy way to establish at least a minimum standard of evidence: if your standard allows two conflicting claims to be "demonstrated to be true" at the same time, then you know it's too low.

    What does this even mean?
     
  19. Walkntune

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    It basically means that there is no amount of evidence that will satisfy or convince mans carnal mind of the existance of God.
    Romans 8:7
    7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
     
  20. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    You say that as if you think we have a mind other than our "carnal mind"; what would make you think that this is the case?
     
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