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Featured Why Aren't You Praying to End COVID-19?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SalixIncendium, Nov 18, 2020.

  1. SalixIncendium

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    I'm assuming none of you are praying that COVID-19 ends, because it's still here and the cases are mounting?

    So why aren't you praying?
     
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    Prayer doesn't work
     
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  3. SalixIncendium

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    Please provide evidence of this.

    Also, how do you know it doesn't work if you're not praying?
     
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    That's hurtful. Okay, it's not hurtful, but based on what evidence do you make this assumption?
     
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  5. SalixIncendium

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    As I said in the OP, the mounting cases. Many areas are setting records of late for new daily cases.

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    I'm not sure if you're angling towards "prayer doesn't work" or that your view of prayer is that P x (X number of prayers) = RESULT.
     
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    Neither. I'm angling toward "if prayer works the way many think it does, and people are praying, why COVID-19?"
     
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    Answer: Prayer doesn't work like many people think it does.
     
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    Is it within God's power to do so?
     
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    Eddi perplexed, and forming an opinion...

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  11. SalixIncendium

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    I would assume so if God is omnipotent.
     
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    Zactly.

    It works like the Little Prince's commands for the sun to rise and set.
     
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    As my wife says (more crudely):

    Spit with one hand and pray with the other and see which fills up first.

    Ultimately, in my view, prayer is simply a way for people to feel like they are doing something when they are simply talking to themselves.
     
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    Yep. It works in exactly the way that makes it look like it doesn't work.
     
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    Because I don't believe prayer works except as a sort of meditation. If it did otherwise... then why wouldn't you be praying for people to pray?
     
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    It works when it can be retested by anyone who practices prayer. It would have to be more than "I pray for COVID to disappear", I had a dream that it did. Someone said out of the blue cases where dropping. Look on media, they are. The prayers are answered.

    It's more than deriving meaningful conclusions if prayer works in a way that anyone who does will have a good (or bad) result. If that be the case, every one would pray regardless their religion and lack thereof. They're be no bias because it would be another instrument we can use to end suffering. Since it's by religion, there is no evidence but the ones seen by the prayer, peers, and those who believe in it.

    What type of evidence can one prove that prayer works insofar that it is beyond religious affiliation and deriving meaningful coincidences?
     
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    Prayer is a human thing not a supernatural thing. So, people pray as a means of hope and change but outside of meaningful conclusions, interpretations, and confirmation biases, it really doesn't "do" anything. Most believers say prayer isn't like a vender machine. With that said, it's the wrong question to ask. Maybe more, why don't you pray that people are helping others with COVID so there would be less cases? That way, the prayer is toward the healing-the act towards the goal-not toward miracles such as making COVID banish from thin air. (That way if there are lowered cases prayers are answered but not in a way it's out of the norm-so, there's room for saying it works without making it a miracle-middle ground)
     
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    I looked in the US. Still 158,000 cases yesterday.
     
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