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Featured Why aren't there more agnostics?

Discussion in 'Agnosticism' started by Samantha Rinne, Feb 24, 2018.

  1. Kfox

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    I don't think most people see belief as having anything to do with existence, belief is all about being convinced as true. I believe Jesus (as well as countless other religious figures) existed, as a person, but this belief is not enough to get me in the club as Christian, to be Christian I have to believe more about him than merely existing, I have to believe he is who the Bible says he is.
     
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    Then it would be the Bible that you were believing in, not Jesus.
     
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    So are you suggesting if I believe Jesus existed, that alone makes me a Christian? Even if I believe he was just one of many religious leaders executed for crimes against the state; believing he had nothing to do with being God's son?
     
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    I said that if the requirement is believing in a book, then that's what you're doing: believing in a book.
     
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    I'm not talking about believing in a book, I'm talking about believing what the book says.
     
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    Dude...
     
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    Do you understand the difference believing in a book vs believing what the book says?
    My point is, to “believe in” can’t be about existence, it has to be about something else; like believing the claims made of whatever it is you claim to believe in. I’m not picking on you, I’ve asked these questions to other theists as well and it always end up the same way, we go round and round, for pages and weeks and eventually the subject changes without the original question being answered.
     
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    A book is what it says.

    To “believe in” is about actuality, namely truth. It’s not just about a fixed existence. If I believe in my brother, I’m pointing at his ideas, his strength, his integrity, and his passion. I’m not pointing at a material thing, just an actual thing. Regarding Sasquatch, though, there is nothing more to point at than probably faked footprints and blurry photographs.

    What was the original question, again? ;)
     
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    No, a book is a pile of paper with words on them, all attached together.
    My point has always been, to believe in is not about existence. Sounds like we sort agree
    The original question was; how are you defining “to believe in” something.
     
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    Only if you've never read one. :)
     
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    A book will remain the same regardless of whether I choose to read it or not. My point is, a book is just paper and ink; yet some people act as if some books are sacred; like if you burn certain books you are an evil person.
     
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    Ah. I didn't get that point from anything you'd said earlier.
     
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    I am sorry. Sometimes, there are so many posts that it is impossible to keep up. (that just means that I am not going to read it all before I post an opinion.) It is my opinion that everyone and everything that was ever born might be truthful and say that we don't know!
     
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    ps. I am most definitely agnostic, though I believe in god. Of course, I do! I have an opinion. God bless God!
     
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    I didn't make that point earlier, I made it now.
     
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