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Featured Why are the Sciences Empirical?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Sunstone, Aug 18, 2019.

  1. Willamena

    Willamena Just me
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    Where does imagination end and reality assert itself?
     
  2. Cooky

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    But once, there was no science. And then there was. But there was always empiricism.
     
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    Imagination leads to greater understanding of reality.
     
  4. Willamena

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    But always, within the span of scientific assertion, there was observation.
     
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  5. Willamena

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    It can. Science can, too.
     
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    But that in itself was a kind of scientific discovery - a triumph of empiricism...when someone (often credited to Francis Bacon but for sure people had been doing it long before that) noted that observation and induction (in preference to rhetoric and logic) comprised the appropriate method for discerning 'truth' about the natural world. This was not an invention - it was a discovery.
     
  7. Cooky

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    And before it was a discovery, it began as an idea.. An *imagined* idea...
     
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  8. Cooky

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    There is a philosophy behind the scientific method.

    ...With empiricism, it is just a natural human experience that has existed since the concious mind began to acknowledge it's senses and surrounding environment.
     
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  9. siti

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    I imagine so...and?
     
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    Two - at least - empiricism and naturalism.
     
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  11. Willamena

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    Not really. It always was an idea, an empirical idea.

    It sparked the imagination, but that's a different thing.
     
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    Look: there always was a time when people took the input of senses to be real. To be the truth. That's empiricism. Then, at some point, they said that we should doubt the input of senses, we should test them to make sure that we're correct. That's science.

    Materialism is another beast.
     
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    Empiricism is the philosophical theory that the world open to and describable by our interpretation of sensory data is adequately represented.

    That's not a bad thing.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    I would agree with you. You could have knowledge. That is you could have "justified true beliefs", but you could not have what we know as "science". Science can be thought of as a special case or subset of justifications.
     
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    Of course it's not a bad thing.
     
  17. Cooky

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    What else is there?
     
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    There is no such thing as an empirical idea. Unless someone can show one.
     
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    Well, empiricism's claim is that sensory and observable data was the only correct source of truth. Complex ideas were compiled of sensory data: a unicorn was the idea of a horse combined with the idea of a horn. But we do have ideas that are not related to sensory or observable data, yet still significantly shape the world: ideas such as integrity, honour, and promise. Empiricism was contrasted with rationalism, which asserts that we can know truths apart from the observed world, for instance from logic and mathematics, ethics and metaphysics, which have no foundation in the observable world. We know a bachelor to be unmarried because of definition, not from observing them living a solitary life.
     
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    Nonsense. There is nothing we can speak of that isn't an idea.
     
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