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why are the clergy so fanatical against homosexuals?

Discussion in 'Orthodox Christian DIR' started by davidthegreek, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. davidthegreek

    davidthegreek Active Member

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    I really want to know that.
     
  2. Shiranui117

    Shiranui117 Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
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    What exactly are you talking about? Are you talking about the ban against homosexual marriage and the condemnation of homosexual acts?

    If you think the Orthodox Church itself hates homosexuals as people, this is not the case. Homosexuals are often encouraged to become priests and monks. If you saw the Comparative Religions thread, you'll see that one such individual, Fr. Seraphim Rose, is actually beginning to be regarded as a Saint.

    EDIT: I will note that any animosity towards homosexuals on the part of anyone, whether of the Orthodox Church or any other religion, is due to ignorance at best, and bigotry at worst. Any priest who is hostile to homosexuals is clearly out of line; the clergy are never to cause spiritual harm to the faithful, knowingly or unknowingly. I strongly feel that, if there is any discrimination against homosexuals as people in the Church, it will fade out as homosexuals are better understood. And as homosexuals are better understood, the clergy will more consistently be able to offer greater spiritual guidance and aid. The Church has always been made up of imperfect people, but this is no excuse for discriminating between people in the Church, and building back up the middle wall of division between mankind that Christ broke down.
     
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    Your words are so encouraging and quite rational. But what do you mean by "orthodox". The reason I am asking is because I have been given a different response every time regarding that. Do you mean an orthodox protestant, or eastern orthodox? Thanks
     
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    I mean Eastern Orthodox, though I also consider the Oriental Orthodox to be Orthodox as well. Protestants are not Orthodox. Whether or not the "O" is capitalized will tell you if the person is speaking of Orthodox Christianity (if capitalized) or Protestantism/Catholicism (not-capitalized)
     
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    Ok. Thanks now I get it. But these day everyone believes they are Orthodox. Even if they have nothing to do with it.
     
  6. Desert Snake

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    There are no orthodox Protestants, there never have been.
     
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    Why do you paint with such a broad brush?
     
  8. davidthegreek

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    I don't paint. I am not a painter.
     
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  9. Shiranui117

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    Again, look at whether the O's capitalized or not... There can be a big difference between people calling themselves "Orthodox Christian" and "orthodox Christian." ;)

    And yes, there are annoying cases where non-Orthodox call themselves Orthodox, either they're posing as "Orthodox" in an attempt to poach the true Orthodox (many Protestant "evangelists" to traditionally Orthodox countries do this, going so far as even to imitate the Orthodox liturgy, priesthood and iconography to deceive the faithful there), or they know of the Orthodox Church, and are trying to set themselves up in opposition to her. I see lots of Roman Catholics doing this especially, calling themselves "Orthodox Catholics."
     
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    Right. Perhaps smear would have been a better term.
     
  11. ForeverFaithful

    ForeverFaithful Son Worshiper

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    Haven't heard any sermons on homosexuality, in fact most of them have been about forgiveness and virtue. In fact aside from when those outside the Church go on the offence I rarely hear it mentioned at all. It's a clearly teaching of the church, that sex is for a married heterosexual monogamous couple, but we don't feel the need to fanatical about it. This of course excludes some schismatic and near schismatic groups who make it part of their agenda to go insane about about it, either to be liberal or pseudo-traditionalist
     
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    Gods word teaches 1 corinthians 6:9-11--- fornicators( sex out of marriage) ,adulterers,homosexuals,drunkards( drug addicts) idolotors,greedy,thieves-- ( athiests,false god worshippers can be included) will not inherit Gods kingdom( eternal life)-- it goes on to say--that is what some of you were( past tense= true repentence-they stopped doing these gross sins that God will not accept)
    i dont see why the homosexuals think they are being targeted--all of those listed are in the same boat--what percentage of mankind does one think falls into this category? Jesus taught--FEW will find the road leading to eternal life.
     
  13. Shiranui117

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    It's interesting to note that the word translated as "homosexual," &#956;&#945;&#955;&#945;&#954;&#8057;&#962;, actually refers to a catamite:

    metaph. in a bad sense
    1. effeminate
      1. of a catamite
      2. of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
      3. of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
      4. of a male prostitute
    Catamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Malakos - New Testament Greek Lexicon - King James Version
     
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    Protestants don't have icons. What is the church called of these so called "Orthodox Protestants"?
     
  15. davidthegreek

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    are you Orthodox too? Eastern or Oriental? Just curious.
     
  16. Shiranui117

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    They're not Orthodox. They're Protestants who mimic the Orthodox to try and poach the faithful. This has happened, especially in Georgia (the country, not the state)

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    Source.

    In other words, it's nothing more than wolves in sheep's clothing. They mean to deceive the Orthodox and trick them into leaving the Church.
     
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    I'm not Orthodox, but I certainly know that there are no "Orthodox Protestants". They are two very different denominations of Christianity.

    I have Othodox heritage.
     
  18. Desert Snake

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    Some offshoot of Protestants I guess. It goes against Protestant teachings anyway.
     
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    It does. Like I said, it's all an act of deception.
     
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