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Why Are Genocides Associated with Evolutionists and Atheists? Coincidence?

Justatruthseeker

Active Member
Which ignores the use of Jihad during the expansion of the Muslim Empire which invaded nations that never threatened Muslims. Try again.
Agreed, the leaders simply wrongly tricked the people into starting a war based upon teaching NOT in their book....


Neither Iberia nor India attacks Muslims. Yet both were conquered in sanctioned Jihad wars.
Some people claiming to be speakers for the book does not mean they actually teach what is in the book..... Sanctioned by whom? Politiocal leaders with a political agenda using religion to further their own ends. That is not is dispute....


No it a declaration of war for Islam to conquer nations as per Iberia and India.
Declaring war politically does not mean it is a war that can actually be sanctioned by a Jihad, whether you use the name or not.....


One apologist source which ignores history means nothings. History vs apologetic. History wins. Try again.

Ahh, you confuse people claiming to be conducting a holy Jihad as being people actually conducting a holy jihad. Gotcha. Hitler was claiming to be freeing his people from the oppression of the Jews. I suppose you bought that story too?????

Would that be like considering a priest who started the inquisition as a justified holy war???? Or just a sheep in wolves clothing looking out for his own ends and using religion to further his goal, which would not even make him a priest.....
 

Justatruthseeker

Active Member
Unfortunately he is not the only one who misunderstands the qur'an, many muslims do to
yes, many misunderstand what they call the religion of Peace...... and turn it to hateful ends to justify their own hatred.....

Notice they all tend to be arguing in favor of the Jihadists interpretation, but condemn them in public..... wolves in sheeps clothing... beware....
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Agreed, the leaders simply wrongly tricked the people into starting a war based upon teaching NOT in their book....

Or those leaders being relatives of Muhammad knew what it really means.



Some people claiming to be speakers for the book does not mean they actually teach what is in the book..... Sanctioned by whom? Politiocal leaders with a political agenda using religion to further their own ends. That is not is dispute....

Like your linked website?

The relatives of Muhammad and his companions, themselves.



Declaring war politically does not mean it is a war that can actually be sanctioned by a Jihad, whether you use the name or not.....

Nope as Jihad can be waged until the whole world is under an Islamic government.


Ahh, you confuse people claiming to be conducting a holy Jihad as being people actually conducting a holy jihad. Gotcha. Hitler was claiming to be freeing his people from the oppression of the Jews. I suppose you bought that story too?????

Like your website? Hilarious that your own criticism can be applied to your views but you are oblivious to that.

Would that be like considering a priest who started the inquisition as a justified holy war???? Or just a sheep in wolves clothing looking out for his own ends and using religion to further his goal, which would not even make him a priest.....

Like your website or your proclaiming what is Jihad?
 

Justatruthseeker

Active Member
Or those leaders being relatives of Muhammad knew what it really means.
Or just trying to suck up power after his death....




Like your linked website?
like your, oh, my bad, lack of any backing references?

The relatives of Muhammad and his companions, themselves.
And that makes them what? Prophets because Mohammad was????




Nope as Jihad can be waged until the whole world is under an Islamic government.
Claims the Jihadist.... to usually serve his own hatred....



Like your website? Hilarious that your own criticism can be applied to your views but you are oblivious to that.
like your, oh, my bad, lack of any backing references?


Like your website or your proclaiming what is Jihad?
like your, oh, my bad, lack of any backing references?
 

Justatruthseeker

Active Member
Aye, people misunderstand science regularly.
But at least competing theories can be tested.
Religious truths though....nicht einmal falsch, eh.
So variation in belief is much greater.
Except unlike theories that can shift like silly putty to meet the whims of any.... it's written in black and white and all one needs do is read it for themselves and judge whether what someone says matches what is written. Not just follow blindly what someone standing on a pulpit says, be that a religious or scientific pulpit.

And if it is not even wrong, then it is right.

Double negative - Wikipedia
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Except unlike theories that can shift like silly putty to meet the whims of any...
This isn't accurate.
For example, Newtonian gravity was only superseded by general relativity
because of discoveries in the real world. This didn't happen because of a whim.

The same is true in thermodynamics, metallurgy, chemistry, etc, etc.
If one claims a bogus theory, a single test it will prove it wrong.
If one claims a useful theory, repeated testing will confirm it, ie, fail to disprove it.
(But it cannot be proven "true". No telling when a better theory could arise.)
....it's written in black and white and all one needs do is read it for themselves and judge whether what someone says matches what is written. Not just follow blindly what someone standing on a pulpit says, be that a religious or scientific pulpit.
Taking the Bible as an example....
It's a collection of some books, but not all the same books for every flavor of Christianity.
And they it's a translation of a translation of various cullings of a plethora of books.
Top that off with poetic language which can lead a believer to think the age of the Earth
ranges from 6000 to 4B years. They simply cannot agree except within narrow sects.

And then there's the Koran....
Just look at all the competing readings of it. Hadiths rule for some, but are invalid for others.
Tis the religion of peace....or of killing the infidel.
And if it is not even wrong, then it is right.
Double negative - Wikipedia
No, no, no.
It's not even wrong because it cannot be verified to be either right or wrong.
Example: 98 undetectable angels dance on the head of a pin.
It's not right because it cannot be verified.
It's not even wrong because it cannot be disproven.
Some background.....
Not even wrong - Wikipedia
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Except unlike theories that can shift like silly putty to meet the whims of any.... it's written in black and white and all one needs do is read it for themselves and judge whether what someone says matches what is written. Not just follow blindly what someone standing on a pulpit says, be that a religious or scientific pulpit.

And if it is not even wrong, then it is right.

Double negative - Wikipedia
And that is the problem with the Bible. It is wrong so often and there is no way to correct it. As a result you have to pretend that one of science's greatest strengths is a weakness.
 

Justatruthseeker

Active Member
This isn't accurate.
For example, Newtonian gravity was only superseded by general relativity
because of discoveries in the real world. This didn't happen because of a whim.
Until both were applied outside the solar system and GR which was 99.8% accurate inside the solar system to non-ionized matter without any additional theory added to it, suddenly didn't work at all and needed 96% Fairie Dust added to it to make it fit a semblance of reality......

The same is true in thermodynamics, metallurgy, chemistry, etc, etc.
If one claims a bogus theory, a single test it will prove it wrong.
If one claims a useful theory, repeated testing will confirm it, ie, fail to disprove it.
(But it cannot be proven "true". No telling when a better theory could arise.)
Unless we talk about Dark Matter, dark Energy, or xpanding space, then that's proven fact, right????? All those things not needed where GR was tested to that 99.8% accuracy?

For someone claiming to believe in GR you sure dismissed it awfully fast when it tried to tell you something by being 99.8% correct inside the solar system to non-ionized matter, but failing by 96% outside applied to ionized matter.... Couldn't just be because plasma 99.9% of the universe has it's own physics that is applied to it in every laboratory, could it????

Taking the Bible as an example....
It's a collection of some books, but not all the same books for every flavor of Christianity.
Like not every science classroom uses the same books?

And they it's a translation of a translation of various cullings of a plethora of books.
Not my fault you didn't look up the words in Hebrew.... to see what they actually mean in Hebrew, instead of just accepting someone else's word....

Top that off with poetic language which can lead a believer to think the age of the Earth
ranges from 6000 to 4B years. They simply cannot agree except within narrow sects.
Because some refuse to accept what the Hebrew word "hayah" means in Hebrew.... But we are discussing peoples distorted view of time dilation in another thread if you care to join. You can take their side and support the twin who's clocks changed before his eyes while he believed they didn't change at all..... Deny reality just like they are....

And then there's the Koran....
which would be dissident scientific papers in science jargon....

Just look at all the competing readings of it. Hadiths rule for some, but are invalid for others.
Tis the religion of peace....or of killing the infidel.
Like the 26 definitions of what species is because no one can agree on what it actually is?????

No, no, no.
It's not even wrong because it cannot be verified to be either right or wrong.
Example: 98 undetectable angels dance on the head of a pin.
Or magical dark Matter exists in halos around the galaxy while ignoring those plasma halos right where it was supposed to be and was "dark" before we could see it????

Or expanding nothing that only happens way out that a way where it cant be verified in any lab....

It's not right because it cannot be verified.
It's not even wrong because it cannot be disproven.
Some background.....
Not even wrong - Wikipedia
Yet despite your claiming you can't prove it right or wrong, you consider it wrong..... wouldn't that be the definition of insanity????
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Until both were applied outside the solar system and GR which was 99.8% accurate inside the solar system to non-ionized matter without any additional theory added to it, suddenly didn't work at all and needed 96% Fairie Dust added to it to make it fit a semblance of reality......


Unless we talk about Dark Matter, dark Energy, or xpanding space, then that's proven fact, right????? All those things not needed where GR was tested to that 99.8% accuracy?

For someone claiming to believe in GR you sure dismissed it awfully fast when it tried to tell you something by being 99.8% correct inside the solar system to non-ionized matter, but failing by 96% outside applied to ionized matter.... Couldn't just be because plasma 99.9% of the universe has it's own physics that is applied to it in every laboratory, could it????


Like not every science classroom uses the same books?


Not my fault you didn't look up the words in Hebrew.... to see what they actually mean in Hebrew, instead of just accepting someone else's word....


Because some refuse to accept what the Hebrew word "hayah" means in Hebrew....


which would be dissident scientific papers in science jargon....


Like the 26 definitions of what species is because no one can agree on what it actually is?????


Or magical dark Matter exists in halos around the galaxy while ignoring those plasma halos right where it was supposed to be and was "dark" before we could see it????

Or expanding nothing that only happens way out that a way where it cant be verified in any lab....


Yet despite not being able to prove it right or wrong, you consider it wrong..... wouldn't that be the definition of insanity????
Please you are projecting again. You are the one that believes in magic. Just because you do not understand something does not mean that the other side is appealing to magic.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Or just trying to suck up power after his death....

Perhaps. Yet the history is there. That undermines your points more than mine.


like your, oh, my bad, lack of any backing references?

You never asked for a link nor reference. You didn't question it. Now you only do as I poke holes in your linked source.


And that makes them what? Prophets because Mohammad was????

No it makes them contemporary compared to an unknown cite made in the 21st century ignoring history.

Claims the Jihadist.... to usually serve his own hatred....

Claims the apologist trying to damage control as Muslim nations do a fine job of making Islam look horrible.




like your, oh, my bad, lack of any backing references?

You never asked for one and didn't complain until I took yours to task. Whine more



like your, oh, my bad, lack of any backing references?

You never asked for one and didn't complain until I took yours to task. Whine more.

Also remember you claimed Jihad was not used aggressive warfare not I. That was your burden to meet which you failed and passed on to me.

Educated yourself son.

Burden of proof (philosophy) - Wikipedia
 
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