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Why Are Genocides Associated with Evolutionists and Atheists? Coincidence?

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
In regards to number two.
Here is a partial list of Evolutionists and/or Atheist dictators behind some of the most brutal regimes in the past few centuries - in their own words:

- Vladimir Lenin (1870 - 1924): Atheist and Evolutionist who renounced his belief in God after the death of his father and beloved brother; he said:
1) "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism..."
2) "Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species bear no relation to one another, except by chance, and that they were created by God, and hence immutable."
He established hundreds of concentration camps while ordering the execution of Christians, Jews, and Muslims throughout Russia; his regime was responsible for the deaths of 6 - 8 million people through execution, starvation and war.
(ref: Volkogonov, D. (1994). Lenin: Life and Legacy.; Necrometrics.com)

- Leon Trotsky (1879 - 1940): Self-proclaimed "irreconcilable Atheist" and Evolutionist who said:
1) "We call our dialectic 'materialist', since its roots are neither in heaven nor in the depths of our “free will”, but in objective reality, in nature...There is place within this system for neither God nor Devil, nor immortal soul, nor eternal norms of laws and morals.";
2) "Every educated person since Darwin has labeled themselves an “evolutionist”. But a real evolutionist must apply the idea of evolution to his own forms of thinking."
3) "I shall die a proletarian revolutionist, a Marxist, a dialectical materialist, and, consequently, an irreconcilable atheist."
4) "But whatever may be the circumstances of my death I shall die with unshaken faith in the communist future. This faith in man and in his future gives me even now such power of resistance as cannot be given by any religion."
As a Bolshevik leader he masterminded the murder of hundreds of thousands of Russians through starvation and war during the Communist Russian Revolution.
(ref: Trotsky, L., Trotsky's Testament, 1940)

- Benito Mussolini (1883 - 1945): Atheist and Evolutionist who said:
1) "The God of the theologians is the creation of their empty heads."
2) "The history of the saints is mainly the history of insane people."
3) "Religion is a species of mental disease. It has always had a pathological reaction on mankind."
4) "When we claim 'God does not exist', we mean to deny by this declaration the personal God of theology, the God worshiped in various ways and divers modes by believers the world over... that God of absurd attributes who is an affront to human reason."
5) "Science is now in the process of destroying religious dogma. The dogma of the divine creation is recognized as absurd."
He was known for "daring God to strike him dead" on many public occasions; although he occasionally courted the Catholic church to gain political control, when he did gain control he persecuted both the Protestant and Catholic church by killing thousands of priests and clergy; responsible for 400 to 500 thousand deaths; he was executed by a firing squad while attempting to escape from Italy.
(ref: Haught, J., 2000 Years of Disbelief: Famous People with the Courage to Doubt.; Mussolini, B.
'Homme et la divinite/Bibliotheque Internationale de propagande rationaliste, Geneva)

- Joseph Stalin (died 1953): Became an Atheist/Darwinist after reading Darwin's "Origin of Species", stating:
1) "You know, they are fooling us. There is no God.”
2) "'I'll lend you a book to read (Darwin). It will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense...."
He made atheism the official ideology of Russia and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; he crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and killing more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns during the religious "purge" between 1937 and 1938 alone. Overall, his atheistic dictatorship killed 80 million people by starvation, execution, and war.
(ref: E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, 1940;

- Margaret Sanger (died 1966): Atheist and Darwinist who said:
1) "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it".
Although she was never in power to be a dictator, she was an advocate of eugenics (Darwinist-based attempts to develop a superior race through selective breeding of humans), mandatory sterilizations of the "unfit", and infanticide; founder of Planned Parenthood - America's largest abortion provider responsible for the deaths of untold millions of preborn children.

- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated:
1) "Religion is poison."
2) “Atheism must take the place of belief in a God.”
3) "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."
Although he used the terms "gods" and "goddess" in his colorful poems, he made atheism the official ideology of China and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; lived an opulent lifestyle while the common people starved; his regime caused the deaths of 40 to 80 million people by starvation, torture, and executions.
(ref: M. Zedong, M. Kau, and J. Leung, The Writings of Mao Zedong, 1976; The Poems of Mao Tse-tung, Harper & Row).

- Karl Marx (1818 - 1883): Atheist who famously said:
1) "Man makes religion, religion does not make man"
2) "It (religion) is the opium of the people".
Evolutionist who enthusiastically called Darwin’s "Origin of Species" as "This is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our views.”
Although not a dictator himself, his writings and ideologies were used by many dictators to murder tens of millions. In Russia alone, 20 million Christians were killed by dictators who used his writings. (International Socialist Review, Issue #65; Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Selected Correspondence 1846–1895)

- Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900): Atheist who said: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him."; and "...a theologian, a priest, a pope of today not only errs when he speaks, but actually lies—and that he no longer escapes blame for his lie through “innocence” or “ignorance.” The priest knows, as every one knows, that there is no longer any God." Evolutionist although he disagreed with certain minor points of Darwin's theory; his written work was the ideology behind Nazism which murdered millions; he was permanently placed in an psychiatric asylum after suffering a breakdown. ( The AntiChrist, F. Nietzsche, 1888)

- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945): Evolutionist; although he courted the Catholic church for his political gain, he was very anti-Christian and said:
1) "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.”
2) “Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone...”
3) “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.”
4) Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s minister of propaganda, noted in his diary in 1939: "The Fuehrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."
5) Martin Bormann, Hitler's secretary and right hand man, publicly stated in 1941, "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."
Hitler publicly and repeatedly invoked the name of God as a ruse to justify his brutal military and political actions; he applied Darwin's theory of evolution and "survival of the fittest" while attempting to develop a biologically superior race through ethnic cleansing; showed no regard for accountability to a higher power by killing 11 to 14 million people through starvation, execution, and war; committed suicide to avoid capture at the end of World War 2.

- Pol Pot (died 1998): Evolutionist who, as leader of the deadly Khmer Rouge, adopted Mao's Darwinist philosophies; known for his "Cambodian killing fields"; closed all religious institutions including Buddhist temples but especially persecuted Christians and Muslims; responsible for 1 to 3 million executions, mostly using axes, hammers, and sharpened bamboo sticks to save ammunition.

- Jim Jones (died 1978): Atheist who said:
1) "Off the record, I don’t believe in any loving God. Our people, I would say, are ninety percent atheist."
2) "I felt somewhat hypocritical for the last years as I became an atheist."
3) "You feel tainted, by being in the church situation. But of course, everyone knows where I’m at. My bishop knows that I’m an atheist...He must have spent twenty thousand dollars traveling around, hoping to get my denomination to remove me, because I was so atheistic.”
He was responsible for the 1978 mass murder/suicide of 908 members of the People's Temple cult in Guyana; he personally ordered the executions of several members of the visiting press and a U.S. Congressman.
(ref: The Jonestown Institute audiotape, 1976).



The response from atheists is that these dictators were motivated by communism and not by atheism or Darwinism. In other words, its only a coincidence that almost all of the genocidal dictators of the 20th Century - basically a 'Who's Who' List of dictators were all evolutionists and/or atheists. In addition, since the dictator could not have done the millions of killings himself, he had to employ thousands who shared his values and philosophies to help him. Interestingly, the case of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer (who was an atheist and evolutionist) may shed some light on these questions about the motivation behind their deeds:

Jeffrey Dahmer (1960 - 1994), Atheist/Evolutionist and serial killer, who said:
1) "If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway.
I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing. So the whole theory (evolution) cheapens life."
(ref: Stone Phillips Interview with Jeffrey Dahmer, Dateline NBC, February 1994).

Amazingly, Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity in prison with the help of his father (who himself became a Christian and creationist later in his own life). Dahmer was later murdered in prison. However, he went to Heaven by the grace of God - stories don't end any better than that! If God can save a serial killer, He can save anyone! Thank You Lord for your mercy on him!
Um. In regards to number 2.....

Darwin had concentration camps and called for executions of Christians and Jews?
 

Dell

Asteroid insurance?
You left out the genocides in the Bible.........
Ha ha you beat me to that...
First thing came to my mind was Hebrews invasion and genocide of Canaan,
Then the worst in history was Catholic Spain's invasion and genocide of South American Indians which dwarfed the holocaust,
Then our United States (so called one nation under God) the abuses to American Indians and Slavery just 150 years ago.

P.s. the Hebrews invasion and genocide of Canaan is debatable whether it actually ever happened, but yet the act is still justified in the name of God in Christian Bibles...
 
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Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
There's zero evidence that an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, highly benevolent theistic supernatural being actually exists. So then, we can't fault an atheist for not believing in the existence of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, highly benevolent theistic supernatural deity. Right?

Evolution is simply significant enough gene pool changes within a species changing over the course of many generations resulting in organisms having genetic traits different enough from their distant ancestors; so that there'd be no possible sexual reproduction occurring between somebody who were to have distant ancestral genetic traits with anybody living in the current population.

There's overwhelming genetic and fossil evidence that evolution does occur. So we can't fault anybody who realizes all species share a common ancestor. Right?

Somebody who believes in gravity isn't called a "gravitationalist". So why are people who believe in evolution called "evolutionists"?
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
Here is a partial list of Evolutionists and/or Atheist dictators behind some of the most brutal regimes in the past few centuries - in their own words:

- Vladimir Lenin (1870 - 1924): Atheist and Evolutionist who renounced his belief in God after the death of his father and beloved brother; he said:
1) "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism..."
2) "Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species bear no relation to one another, except by chance, and that they were created by God, and hence immutable."
He established hundreds of concentration camps while ordering the execution of Christians, Jews, and Muslims throughout Russia; his regime was responsible for the deaths of 6 - 8 million people through execution, starvation and war.
(ref: Volkogonov, D. (1994). Lenin: Life and Legacy.; Necrometrics.com)

- Leon Trotsky (1879 - 1940): Self-proclaimed "irreconcilable Atheist" and Evolutionist who said:
1) "We call our dialectic 'materialist', since its roots are neither in heaven nor in the depths of our “free will”, but in objective reality, in nature...There is place within this system for neither God nor Devil, nor immortal soul, nor eternal norms of laws and morals.";
2) "Every educated person since Darwin has labeled themselves an “evolutionist”. But a real evolutionist must apply the idea of evolution to his own forms of thinking."
3) "I shall die a proletarian revolutionist, a Marxist, a dialectical materialist, and, consequently, an irreconcilable atheist."
4) "But whatever may be the circumstances of my death I shall die with unshaken faith in the communist future. This faith in man and in his future gives me even now such power of resistance as cannot be given by any religion."
As a Bolshevik leader he masterminded the murder of hundreds of thousands of Russians through starvation and war during the Communist Russian Revolution.
(ref: Trotsky, L., Trotsky's Testament, 1940)

- Benito Mussolini (1883 - 1945): Atheist and Evolutionist who said:
1) "The God of the theologians is the creation of their empty heads."
2) "The history of the saints is mainly the history of insane people."
3) "Religion is a species of mental disease. It has always had a pathological reaction on mankind."
4) "When we claim 'God does not exist', we mean to deny by this declaration the personal God of theology, the God worshiped in various ways and divers modes by believers the world over... that God of absurd attributes who is an affront to human reason."
5) "Science is now in the process of destroying religious dogma. The dogma of the divine creation is recognized as absurd."
He was known for "daring God to strike him dead" on many public occasions; although he occasionally courted the Catholic church to gain political control, when he did gain control he persecuted both the Protestant and Catholic church by killing thousands of priests and clergy; responsible for 400 to 500 thousand deaths; he was executed by a firing squad while attempting to escape from Italy.
(ref: Haught, J., 2000 Years of Disbelief: Famous People with the Courage to Doubt.; Mussolini, B.
'Homme et la divinite/Bibliotheque Internationale de propagande rationaliste, Geneva)

- Joseph Stalin (died 1953): Became an Atheist/Darwinist after reading Darwin's "Origin of Species", stating:
1) "You know, they are fooling us. There is no God.”
2) "'I'll lend you a book to read (Darwin). It will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense...."
He made atheism the official ideology of Russia and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; he crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and killing more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns during the religious "purge" between 1937 and 1938 alone. Overall, his atheistic dictatorship killed 80 million people by starvation, execution, and war.
(ref: E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, 1940;

- Margaret Sanger (died 1966): Atheist and Darwinist who said:
1) "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it".
Although she was never in power to be a dictator, she was an advocate of eugenics (Darwinist-based attempts to develop a superior race through selective breeding of humans), mandatory sterilizations of the "unfit", and infanticide; founder of Planned Parenthood - America's largest abortion provider responsible for the deaths of untold millions of preborn children.

- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated:
1) "Religion is poison."
2) “Atheism must take the place of belief in a God.”
3) "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."
Although he used the terms "gods" and "goddess" in his colorful poems, he made atheism the official ideology of China and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; lived an opulent lifestyle while the common people starved; his regime caused the deaths of 40 to 80 million people by starvation, torture, and executions.
(ref: M. Zedong, M. Kau, and J. Leung, The Writings of Mao Zedong, 1976; The Poems of Mao Tse-tung, Harper & Row).

- Karl Marx (1818 - 1883): Atheist who famously said:
1) "Man makes religion, religion does not make man"
2) "It (religion) is the opium of the people".
Evolutionist who enthusiastically called Darwin’s "Origin of Species" as "This is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our views.”
Although not a dictator himself, his writings and ideologies were used by many dictators to murder tens of millions. In Russia alone, 20 million Christians were killed by dictators who used his writings. (International Socialist Review, Issue #65; Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Selected Correspondence 1846–1895)

- Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900): Atheist who said: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him."; and "...a theologian, a priest, a pope of today not only errs when he speaks, but actually lies—and that he no longer escapes blame for his lie through “innocence” or “ignorance.” The priest knows, as every one knows, that there is no longer any God." Evolutionist although he disagreed with certain minor points of Darwin's theory; his written work was the ideology behind Nazism which murdered millions; he was permanently placed in an psychiatric asylum after suffering a breakdown. ( The AntiChrist, F. Nietzsche, 1888)

- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945): Evolutionist; although he courted the Catholic church for his political gain, he was very anti-Christian and said:
1) "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.”
2) “Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone...”
3) “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.”
4) Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s minister of propaganda, noted in his diary in 1939: "The Fuehrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."
5) Martin Bormann, Hitler's secretary and right hand man, publicly stated in 1941, "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."
Hitler publicly and repeatedly invoked the name of God as a ruse to justify his brutal military and political actions; he applied Darwin's theory of evolution and "survival of the fittest" while attempting to develop a biologically superior race through ethnic cleansing; showed no regard for accountability to a higher power by killing 11 to 14 million people through starvation, execution, and war; committed suicide to avoid capture at the end of World War 2.

- Pol Pot (died 1998): Evolutionist who, as leader of the deadly Khmer Rouge, adopted Mao's Darwinist philosophies; known for his "Cambodian killing fields"; closed all religious institutions including Buddhist temples but especially persecuted Christians and Muslims; responsible for 1 to 3 million executions, mostly using axes, hammers, and sharpened bamboo sticks to save ammunition.

- Jim Jones (died 1978): Atheist who said:
1) "Off the record, I don’t believe in any loving God. Our people, I would say, are ninety percent atheist."
2) "I felt somewhat hypocritical for the last years as I became an atheist."
3) "You feel tainted, by being in the church situation. But of course, everyone knows where I’m at. My bishop knows that I’m an atheist...He must have spent twenty thousand dollars traveling around, hoping to get my denomination to remove me, because I was so atheistic.”
He was responsible for the 1978 mass murder/suicide of 908 members of the People's Temple cult in Guyana; he personally ordered the executions of several members of the visiting press and a U.S. Congressman.
(ref: The Jonestown Institute audiotape, 1976).



The response from atheists is that these dictators were motivated by communism and not by atheism or Darwinism. In other words, its only a coincidence that almost all of the genocidal dictators of the 20th Century - basically a 'Who's Who' List of dictators were all evolutionists and/or atheists. In addition, since the dictator could not have done the millions of killings himself, he had to employ thousands who shared his values and philosophies to help him. Interestingly, the case of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer (who was an atheist and evolutionist) may shed some light on these questions about the motivation behind their deeds:

Jeffrey Dahmer (1960 - 1994), Atheist/Evolutionist and serial killer, who said:
1) "If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway.
I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing. So the whole theory (evolution) cheapens life."
(ref: Stone Phillips Interview with Jeffrey Dahmer, Dateline NBC, February 1994).

Amazingly, Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity in prison with the help of his father (who himself became a Christian and creationist later in his own life). Dahmer was later murdered in prison. However, he went to Heaven by the grace of God - stories don't end any better than that! If God can save a serial killer, He can save anyone! Thank You Lord for your mercy on him!

In as much as you've posted this in the Evolution Vs. Creationism forum that's all I'll bother addressing here. So, what about evolution and creationism? Who believes what? Well, in as much as creationism is a product of Christianity it would be surprising to find an atheist who believed in it. So I think it's fair to assume almost all atheists believe in the alternative, evolution. As for the percentage of Christians who believe in evolution, this turns out to be considerable. In fact, almost twice as many Christians (60%) believe in evolution than believe in creationism (33%). In fact, over 3/4 of all white mainline Protestants (78%) choose evolution over creationism.

So, just what is this correlation you're trying to make between evolutionists and genocide?

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sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Here is a partial list of Evolutionists and/or Atheist dictators behind some of the most brutal regimes in the past few centuries - in their own words:

- Vladimir Lenin (1870 - 1924): Atheist and Evolutionist who renounced his belief in God after the death of his father and beloved brother; he said:
1) "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism..."
2) "Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species bear no relation to one another, except by chance, and that they were created by God, and hence immutable."
He established hundreds of concentration camps while ordering the execution of Christians, Jews, and Muslims throughout Russia; his regime was responsible for the deaths of 6 - 8 million people through execution, starvation and war.
(ref: Volkogonov, D. (1994). Lenin: Life and Legacy.; Necrometrics.com)

- Leon Trotsky (1879 - 1940): Self-proclaimed "irreconcilable Atheist" and Evolutionist who said:
1) "We call our dialectic 'materialist', since its roots are neither in heaven nor in the depths of our “free will”, but in objective reality, in nature...There is place within this system for neither God nor Devil, nor immortal soul, nor eternal norms of laws and morals.";
2) "Every educated person since Darwin has labeled themselves an “evolutionist”. But a real evolutionist must apply the idea of evolution to his own forms of thinking."
3) "I shall die a proletarian revolutionist, a Marxist, a dialectical materialist, and, consequently, an irreconcilable atheist."
4) "But whatever may be the circumstances of my death I shall die with unshaken faith in the communist future. This faith in man and in his future gives me even now such power of resistance as cannot be given by any religion."
As a Bolshevik leader he masterminded the murder of hundreds of thousands of Russians through starvation and war during the Communist Russian Revolution.
(ref: Trotsky, L., Trotsky's Testament, 1940)

- Benito Mussolini (1883 - 1945): Atheist and Evolutionist who said:
1) "The God of the theologians is the creation of their empty heads."
2) "The history of the saints is mainly the history of insane people."
3) "Religion is a species of mental disease. It has always had a pathological reaction on mankind."
4) "When we claim 'God does not exist', we mean to deny by this declaration the personal God of theology, the God worshiped in various ways and divers modes by believers the world over... that God of absurd attributes who is an affront to human reason."
5) "Science is now in the process of destroying religious dogma. The dogma of the divine creation is recognized as absurd."
He was known for "daring God to strike him dead" on many public occasions; although he occasionally courted the Catholic church to gain political control, when he did gain control he persecuted both the Protestant and Catholic church by killing thousands of priests and clergy; responsible for 400 to 500 thousand deaths; he was executed by a firing squad while attempting to escape from Italy.
(ref: Haught, J., 2000 Years of Disbelief: Famous People with the Courage to Doubt.; Mussolini, B.
'Homme et la divinite/Bibliotheque Internationale de propagande rationaliste, Geneva)

- Joseph Stalin (died 1953): Became an Atheist/Darwinist after reading Darwin's "Origin of Species", stating:
1) "You know, they are fooling us. There is no God.”
2) "'I'll lend you a book to read (Darwin). It will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense...."
He made atheism the official ideology of Russia and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; he crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and killing more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns during the religious "purge" between 1937 and 1938 alone. Overall, his atheistic dictatorship killed 80 million people by starvation, execution, and war.
(ref: E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, 1940;

- Margaret Sanger (died 1966): Atheist and Darwinist who said:
1) "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it".
Although she was never in power to be a dictator, she was an advocate of eugenics (Darwinist-based attempts to develop a superior race through selective breeding of humans), mandatory sterilizations of the "unfit", and infanticide; founder of Planned Parenthood - America's largest abortion provider responsible for the deaths of untold millions of preborn children.

- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated:
1) "Religion is poison."
2) “Atheism must take the place of belief in a God.”
3) "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."
Although he used the terms "gods" and "goddess" in his colorful poems, he made atheism the official ideology of China and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; lived an opulent lifestyle while the common people starved; his regime caused the deaths of 40 to 80 million people by starvation, torture, and executions.
(ref: M. Zedong, M. Kau, and J. Leung, The Writings of Mao Zedong, 1976; The Poems of Mao Tse-tung, Harper & Row).

- Karl Marx (1818 - 1883): Atheist who famously said:
1) "Man makes religion, religion does not make man"
2) "It (religion) is the opium of the people".
Evolutionist who enthusiastically called Darwin’s "Origin of Species" as "This is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our views.”
Although not a dictator himself, his writings and ideologies were used by many dictators to murder tens of millions. In Russia alone, 20 million Christians were killed by dictators who used his writings. (International Socialist Review, Issue #65; Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Selected Correspondence 1846–1895)

- Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900): Atheist who said: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him."; and "...a theologian, a priest, a pope of today not only errs when he speaks, but actually lies—and that he no longer escapes blame for his lie through “innocence” or “ignorance.” The priest knows, as every one knows, that there is no longer any God." Evolutionist although he disagreed with certain minor points of Darwin's theory; his written work was the ideology behind Nazism which murdered millions; he was permanently placed in an psychiatric asylum after suffering a breakdown. ( The AntiChrist, F. Nietzsche, 1888)

- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945): Evolutionist; although he courted the Catholic church for his political gain, he was very anti-Christian and said:
1) "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.”
2) “Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone...”
3) “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.”
4) Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s minister of propaganda, noted in his diary in 1939: "The Fuehrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."
5) Martin Bormann, Hitler's secretary and right hand man, publicly stated in 1941, "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."
Hitler publicly and repeatedly invoked the name of God as a ruse to justify his brutal military and political actions; he applied Darwin's theory of evolution and "survival of the fittest" while attempting to develop a biologically superior race through ethnic cleansing; showed no regard for accountability to a higher power by killing 11 to 14 million people through starvation, execution, and war; committed suicide to avoid capture at the end of World War 2.

- Pol Pot (died 1998): Evolutionist who, as leader of the deadly Khmer Rouge, adopted Mao's Darwinist philosophies; known for his "Cambodian killing fields"; closed all religious institutions including Buddhist temples but especially persecuted Christians and Muslims; responsible for 1 to 3 million executions, mostly using axes, hammers, and sharpened bamboo sticks to save ammunition.

- Jim Jones (died 1978): Atheist who said:
1) "Off the record, I don’t believe in any loving God. Our people, I would say, are ninety percent atheist."
2) "I felt somewhat hypocritical for the last years as I became an atheist."
3) "You feel tainted, by being in the church situation. But of course, everyone knows where I’m at. My bishop knows that I’m an atheist...He must have spent twenty thousand dollars traveling around, hoping to get my denomination to remove me, because I was so atheistic.”
He was responsible for the 1978 mass murder/suicide of 908 members of the People's Temple cult in Guyana; he personally ordered the executions of several members of the visiting press and a U.S. Congressman.
(ref: The Jonestown Institute audiotape, 1976).



The response from atheists is that these dictators were motivated by communism and not by atheism or Darwinism. In other words, its only a coincidence that almost all of the genocidal dictators of the 20th Century - basically a 'Who's Who' List of dictators were all evolutionists and/or atheists. In addition, since the dictator could not have done the millions of killings himself, he had to employ thousands who shared his values and philosophies to help him. Interestingly, the case of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer (who was an atheist and evolutionist) may shed some light on these questions about the motivation behind their deeds:

Jeffrey Dahmer (1960 - 1994), Atheist/Evolutionist and serial killer, who said:
1) "If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway.
I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing. So the whole theory (evolution) cheapens life."
(ref: Stone Phillips Interview with Jeffrey Dahmer, Dateline NBC, February 1994).

Amazingly, Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity in prison with the help of his father (who himself became a Christian and creationist later in his own life). Dahmer was later murdered in prison. However, he went to Heaven by the grace of God - stories don't end any better than that! If God can save a serial killer, He can save anyone! Thank You Lord for your mercy on him!
On other news....most genocides in recent history are committed by round earth believers. :p
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Here is a partial list of Evolutionists and/or Atheist dictators behind some of the most brutal regimes in the past few centuries - in their own words:

- Vladimir Lenin (1870 - 1924): Atheist and Evolutionist who renounced his belief in God after the death of his father and beloved brother; he said:
1) "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism..."
2) "Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species bear no relation to one another, except by chance, and that they were created by God, and hence immutable."
He established hundreds of concentration camps while ordering the execution of Christians, Jews, and Muslims throughout Russia; his regime was responsible for the deaths of 6 - 8 million people through execution, starvation and war.
(ref: Volkogonov, D. (1994). Lenin: Life and Legacy.; Necrometrics.com)

- Leon Trotsky (1879 - 1940): Self-proclaimed "irreconcilable Atheist" and Evolutionist who said:
1) "We call our dialectic 'materialist', since its roots are neither in heaven nor in the depths of our “free will”, but in objective reality, in nature...There is place within this system for neither God nor Devil, nor immortal soul, nor eternal norms of laws and morals.";
2) "Every educated person since Darwin has labeled themselves an “evolutionist”. But a real evolutionist must apply the idea of evolution to his own forms of thinking."
3) "I shall die a proletarian revolutionist, a Marxist, a dialectical materialist, and, consequently, an irreconcilable atheist."
4) "But whatever may be the circumstances of my death I shall die with unshaken faith in the communist future. This faith in man and in his future gives me even now such power of resistance as cannot be given by any religion."
As a Bolshevik leader he masterminded the murder of hundreds of thousands of Russians through starvation and war during the Communist Russian Revolution.
(ref: Trotsky, L., Trotsky's Testament, 1940)

- Benito Mussolini (1883 - 1945): Atheist and Evolutionist who said:
1) "The God of the theologians is the creation of their empty heads."
2) "The history of the saints is mainly the history of insane people."
3) "Religion is a species of mental disease. It has always had a pathological reaction on mankind."
4) "When we claim 'God does not exist', we mean to deny by this declaration the personal God of theology, the God worshiped in various ways and divers modes by believers the world over... that God of absurd attributes who is an affront to human reason."
5) "Science is now in the process of destroying religious dogma. The dogma of the divine creation is recognized as absurd."
He was known for "daring God to strike him dead" on many public occasions; although he occasionally courted the Catholic church to gain political control, when he did gain control he persecuted both the Protestant and Catholic church by killing thousands of priests and clergy; responsible for 400 to 500 thousand deaths; he was executed by a firing squad while attempting to escape from Italy.
(ref: Haught, J., 2000 Years of Disbelief: Famous People with the Courage to Doubt.; Mussolini, B.
'Homme et la divinite/Bibliotheque Internationale de propagande rationaliste, Geneva)

- Joseph Stalin (died 1953): Became an Atheist/Darwinist after reading Darwin's "Origin of Species", stating:
1) "You know, they are fooling us. There is no God.”
2) "'I'll lend you a book to read (Darwin). It will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense...."
He made atheism the official ideology of Russia and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; he crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and killing more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns during the religious "purge" between 1937 and 1938 alone. Overall, his atheistic dictatorship killed 80 million people by starvation, execution, and war.
(ref: E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, 1940;

- Margaret Sanger (died 1966): Atheist and Darwinist who said:
1) "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it".
Although she was never in power to be a dictator, she was an advocate of eugenics (Darwinist-based attempts to develop a superior race through selective breeding of humans), mandatory sterilizations of the "unfit", and infanticide; founder of Planned Parenthood - America's largest abortion provider responsible for the deaths of untold millions of preborn children.

- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated:
1) "Religion is poison."
2) “Atheism must take the place of belief in a God.”
3) "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."
Although he used the terms "gods" and "goddess" in his colorful poems, he made atheism the official ideology of China and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; lived an opulent lifestyle while the common people starved; his regime caused the deaths of 40 to 80 million people by starvation, torture, and executions.
(ref: M. Zedong, M. Kau, and J. Leung, The Writings of Mao Zedong, 1976; The Poems of Mao Tse-tung, Harper & Row).

- Karl Marx (1818 - 1883): Atheist who famously said:
1) "Man makes religion, religion does not make man"
2) "It (religion) is the opium of the people".
Evolutionist who enthusiastically called Darwin’s "Origin of Species" as "This is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our views.”
Although not a dictator himself, his writings and ideologies were used by many dictators to murder tens of millions. In Russia alone, 20 million Christians were killed by dictators who used his writings. (International Socialist Review, Issue #65; Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Selected Correspondence 1846–1895)

- Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900): Atheist who said: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him."; and "...a theologian, a priest, a pope of today not only errs when he speaks, but actually lies—and that he no longer escapes blame for his lie through “innocence” or “ignorance.” The priest knows, as every one knows, that there is no longer any God." Evolutionist although he disagreed with certain minor points of Darwin's theory; his written work was the ideology behind Nazism which murdered millions; he was permanently placed in an psychiatric asylum after suffering a breakdown. ( The AntiChrist, F. Nietzsche, 1888)

- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945): Evolutionist; although he courted the Catholic church for his political gain, he was very anti-Christian and said:
1) "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.”
2) “Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone...”
3) “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.”
4) Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s minister of propaganda, noted in his diary in 1939: "The Fuehrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."
5) Martin Bormann, Hitler's secretary and right hand man, publicly stated in 1941, "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."
Hitler publicly and repeatedly invoked the name of God as a ruse to justify his brutal military and political actions; he applied Darwin's theory of evolution and "survival of the fittest" while attempting to develop a biologically superior race through ethnic cleansing; showed no regard for accountability to a higher power by killing 11 to 14 million people through starvation, execution, and war; committed suicide to avoid capture at the end of World War 2.

- Pol Pot (died 1998): Evolutionist who, as leader of the deadly Khmer Rouge, adopted Mao's Darwinist philosophies; known for his "Cambodian killing fields"; closed all religious institutions including Buddhist temples but especially persecuted Christians and Muslims; responsible for 1 to 3 million executions, mostly using axes, hammers, and sharpened bamboo sticks to save ammunition.

- Jim Jones (died 1978): Atheist who said:
1) "Off the record, I don’t believe in any loving God. Our people, I would say, are ninety percent atheist."
2) "I felt somewhat hypocritical for the last years as I became an atheist."
3) "You feel tainted, by being in the church situation. But of course, everyone knows where I’m at. My bishop knows that I’m an atheist...He must have spent twenty thousand dollars traveling around, hoping to get my denomination to remove me, because I was so atheistic.”
He was responsible for the 1978 mass murder/suicide of 908 members of the People's Temple cult in Guyana; he personally ordered the executions of several members of the visiting press and a U.S. Congressman.
(ref: The Jonestown Institute audiotape, 1976).



The response from atheists is that these dictators were motivated by communism and not by atheism or Darwinism. In other words, its only a coincidence that almost all of the genocidal dictators of the 20th Century - basically a 'Who's Who' List of dictators were all evolutionists and/or atheists. In addition, since the dictator could not have done the millions of killings himself, he had to employ thousands who shared his values and philosophies to help him. Interestingly, the case of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer (who was an atheist and evolutionist) may shed some light on these questions about the motivation behind their deeds:

Jeffrey Dahmer (1960 - 1994), Atheist/Evolutionist and serial killer, who said:
1) "If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway.
I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing. So the whole theory (evolution) cheapens life."
(ref: Stone Phillips Interview with Jeffrey Dahmer, Dateline NBC, February 1994).

Amazingly, Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity in prison with the help of his father (who himself became a Christian and creationist later in his own life). Dahmer was later murdered in prison. However, he went to Heaven by the grace of God - stories don't end any better than that! If God can save a serial killer, He can save anyone! Thank You Lord for your mercy on him!

A couple of those listed were christian and none killed in the name of atheism but in the name of nationalism.

And you forgot the biggest genocidist, god who murdered every human (except a close buddy and his immediate family) and almost every animal and plant.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
You left out the genocides in the Bible.........

God doesn't believe in a higher power. Further, he invented evolution.
So he's clearly both an atheist and an evolutionist.

Check and mate atheist scum.

(err...in the interests of trying to get a cheap laugh, I may have gone too far there. If it helps, I'm atheist scum too.)
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Here is a partial list of Evolutionists and/or Atheist dictators behind some of the most brutal regimes in the past few centuries - in their own words:

- Vladimir Lenin (1870 - 1924): Atheist and Evolutionist who renounced his belief in God after the death of his father and beloved brother; he said:
1) "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism..."
2) "Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species bear no relation to one another, except by chance, and that they were created by God, and hence immutable."
He established hundreds of concentration camps while ordering the execution of Christians, Jews, and Muslims throughout Russia; his regime was responsible for the deaths of 6 - 8 million people through execution, starvation and war.
(ref: Volkogonov, D. (1994). Lenin: Life and Legacy.; Necrometrics.com)

- Leon Trotsky (1879 - 1940): Self-proclaimed "irreconcilable Atheist" and Evolutionist who said:
1) "We call our dialectic 'materialist', since its roots are neither in heaven nor in the depths of our “free will”, but in objective reality, in nature...There is place within this system for neither God nor Devil, nor immortal soul, nor eternal norms of laws and morals.";
2) "Every educated person since Darwin has labeled themselves an “evolutionist”. But a real evolutionist must apply the idea of evolution to his own forms of thinking."
3) "I shall die a proletarian revolutionist, a Marxist, a dialectical materialist, and, consequently, an irreconcilable atheist."
4) "But whatever may be the circumstances of my death I shall die with unshaken faith in the communist future. This faith in man and in his future gives me even now such power of resistance as cannot be given by any religion."
As a Bolshevik leader he masterminded the murder of hundreds of thousands of Russians through starvation and war during the Communist Russian Revolution.
(ref: Trotsky, L., Trotsky's Testament, 1940)

- Benito Mussolini (1883 - 1945): Atheist and Evolutionist who said:
1) "The God of the theologians is the creation of their empty heads."
2) "The history of the saints is mainly the history of insane people."
3) "Religion is a species of mental disease. It has always had a pathological reaction on mankind."
4) "When we claim 'God does not exist', we mean to deny by this declaration the personal God of theology, the God worshiped in various ways and divers modes by believers the world over... that God of absurd attributes who is an affront to human reason."
5) "Science is now in the process of destroying religious dogma. The dogma of the divine creation is recognized as absurd."
He was known for "daring God to strike him dead" on many public occasions; although he occasionally courted the Catholic church to gain political control, when he did gain control he persecuted both the Protestant and Catholic church by killing thousands of priests and clergy; responsible for 400 to 500 thousand deaths; he was executed by a firing squad while attempting to escape from Italy.
(ref: Haught, J., 2000 Years of Disbelief: Famous People with the Courage to Doubt.; Mussolini, B.
'Homme et la divinite/Bibliotheque Internationale de propagande rationaliste, Geneva)

- Joseph Stalin (died 1953): Became an Atheist/Darwinist after reading Darwin's "Origin of Species", stating:
1) "You know, they are fooling us. There is no God.”
2) "'I'll lend you a book to read (Darwin). It will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense...."
He made atheism the official ideology of Russia and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; he crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and killing more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns during the religious "purge" between 1937 and 1938 alone. Overall, his atheistic dictatorship killed 80 million people by starvation, execution, and war.
(ref: E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, 1940;

- Margaret Sanger (died 1966): Atheist and Darwinist who said:
1) "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it".
Although she was never in power to be a dictator, she was an advocate of eugenics (Darwinist-based attempts to develop a superior race through selective breeding of humans), mandatory sterilizations of the "unfit", and infanticide; founder of Planned Parenthood - America's largest abortion provider responsible for the deaths of untold millions of preborn children.

- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated:
1) "Religion is poison."
2) “Atheism must take the place of belief in a God.”
3) "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."
Although he used the terms "gods" and "goddess" in his colorful poems, he made atheism the official ideology of China and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; lived an opulent lifestyle while the common people starved; his regime caused the deaths of 40 to 80 million people by starvation, torture, and executions.
(ref: M. Zedong, M. Kau, and J. Leung, The Writings of Mao Zedong, 1976; The Poems of Mao Tse-tung, Harper & Row).

- Karl Marx (1818 - 1883): Atheist who famously said:
1) "Man makes religion, religion does not make man"
2) "It (religion) is the opium of the people".
Evolutionist who enthusiastically called Darwin’s "Origin of Species" as "This is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our views.”
Although not a dictator himself, his writings and ideologies were used by many dictators to murder tens of millions. In Russia alone, 20 million Christians were killed by dictators who used his writings. (International Socialist Review, Issue #65; Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Selected Correspondence 1846–1895)

- Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900): Atheist who said: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him."; and "...a theologian, a priest, a pope of today not only errs when he speaks, but actually lies—and that he no longer escapes blame for his lie through “innocence” or “ignorance.” The priest knows, as every one knows, that there is no longer any God." Evolutionist although he disagreed with certain minor points of Darwin's theory; his written work was the ideology behind Nazism which murdered millions; he was permanently placed in an psychiatric asylum after suffering a breakdown. ( The AntiChrist, F. Nietzsche, 1888)

- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945): Evolutionist; although he courted the Catholic church for his political gain, he was very anti-Christian and said:
1) "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.”
2) “Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone...”
3) “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.”
4) Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s minister of propaganda, noted in his diary in 1939: "The Fuehrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."
5) Martin Bormann, Hitler's secretary and right hand man, publicly stated in 1941, "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."
Hitler publicly and repeatedly invoked the name of God as a ruse to justify his brutal military and political actions; he applied Darwin's theory of evolution and "survival of the fittest" while attempting to develop a biologically superior race through ethnic cleansing; showed no regard for accountability to a higher power by killing 11 to 14 million people through starvation, execution, and war; committed suicide to avoid capture at the end of World War 2.

- Pol Pot (died 1998): Evolutionist who, as leader of the deadly Khmer Rouge, adopted Mao's Darwinist philosophies; known for his "Cambodian killing fields"; closed all religious institutions including Buddhist temples but especially persecuted Christians and Muslims; responsible for 1 to 3 million executions, mostly using axes, hammers, and sharpened bamboo sticks to save ammunition.

- Jim Jones (died 1978): Atheist who said:
1) "Off the record, I don’t believe in any loving God. Our people, I would say, are ninety percent atheist."
2) "I felt somewhat hypocritical for the last years as I became an atheist."
3) "You feel tainted, by being in the church situation. But of course, everyone knows where I’m at. My bishop knows that I’m an atheist...He must have spent twenty thousand dollars traveling around, hoping to get my denomination to remove me, because I was so atheistic.”
He was responsible for the 1978 mass murder/suicide of 908 members of the People's Temple cult in Guyana; he personally ordered the executions of several members of the visiting press and a U.S. Congressman.
(ref: The Jonestown Institute audiotape, 1976).



The response from atheists is that these dictators were motivated by communism and not by atheism or Darwinism. In other words, its only a coincidence that almost all of the genocidal dictators of the 20th Century - basically a 'Who's Who' List of dictators were all evolutionists and/or atheists. In addition, since the dictator could not have done the millions of killings himself, he had to employ thousands who shared his values and philosophies to help him. Interestingly, the case of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer (who was an atheist and evolutionist) may shed some light on these questions about the motivation behind their deeds:

Jeffrey Dahmer (1960 - 1994), Atheist/Evolutionist and serial killer, who said:
1) "If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway.
I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing. So the whole theory (evolution) cheapens life."
(ref: Stone Phillips Interview with Jeffrey Dahmer, Dateline NBC, February 1994).

Amazingly, Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity in prison with the help of his father (who himself became a Christian and creationist later in his own life). Dahmer was later murdered in prison. However, he went to Heaven by the grace of God - stories don't end any better than that! If God can save a serial killer, He can save anyone! Thank You Lord for your mercy on him!

If your point is that atheism doesn't prevent evil, then sure, I'll buy.
But if you're trying to prove a relationship between atheism and evil, you'd have been better doing so in a coherent fashion, rather than throwing as much mud at the wall as possible and then shouting 'Dirty Wall'.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945): Evolutionist; although he courted the Catholic church for his political gain, he was very anti-Christian and said:
Hmmm.

That's why he referred to Martin Luther as one of the greatest men who ever lived.

That's why he could use to teachings of Martin Luther to inflame Germans' hatred of Jews.

The Nazis Exploited Martin Luther’s Legacy. This Berlin Exhibit Highlights How.
“They very clearly used Luther’s writings that had all this anti-Semitism in them to support their cause,” he told RNS, noting the treatise called for Jews to be expelled from German cities, synagogues to be burned down and rabbis forbidden to preach.
...
The Nazis marked the 450th anniversary of Luther’s birthday in November 1933 with a nationwide “German Luther Day,” in which the main speaker praised Luther’s “ethno-nationalist mission” and called for “the completion of the German Reformation in the Third Reich.”

The following year, they celebrated the 400th anniversary of his groundbreaking translation of the Bible into German for, as they put it, “a healthy people committed to their own kind.”

In 1938, Hitler’s propagandists highlighted the fact that the infamous Kristallnacht (Night of Broken Glass) of Nov. 9-10 — when Nazis burned synagogues and smashed the windows of Jewish-owned shops, leaving more than 1,000 synagogues ablaze or smoldering — fell on the reformer’s birthday.​
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Here is a partial list of Evolutionists and/or Atheist dictators behind some of the most brutal regimes in the past few centuries - in their own words:

- Vladimir Lenin (1870 - 1924): Atheist and Evolutionist who renounced his belief in God after the death of his father and beloved brother; he said:
1) "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism..."
2) "Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species bear no relation to one another, except by chance, and that they were created by God, and hence immutable."
He established hundreds of concentration camps while ordering the execution of Christians, Jews, and Muslims throughout Russia; his regime was responsible for the deaths of 6 - 8 million people through execution, starvation and war.
(ref: Volkogonov, D. (1994). Lenin: Life and Legacy.; Necrometrics.com)

- Leon Trotsky (1879 - 1940): Self-proclaimed "irreconcilable Atheist" and Evolutionist who said:
1) "We call our dialectic 'materialist', since its roots are neither in heaven nor in the depths of our “free will”, but in objective reality, in nature...There is place within this system for neither God nor Devil, nor immortal soul, nor eternal norms of laws and morals.";
2) "Every educated person since Darwin has labeled themselves an “evolutionist”. But a real evolutionist must apply the idea of evolution to his own forms of thinking."
3) "I shall die a proletarian revolutionist, a Marxist, a dialectical materialist, and, consequently, an irreconcilable atheist."
4) "But whatever may be the circumstances of my death I shall die with unshaken faith in the communist future. This faith in man and in his future gives me even now such power of resistance as cannot be given by any religion."
As a Bolshevik leader he masterminded the murder of hundreds of thousands of Russians through starvation and war during the Communist Russian Revolution.
(ref: Trotsky, L., Trotsky's Testament, 1940)

- Benito Mussolini (1883 - 1945): Atheist and Evolutionist who said:
1) "The God of the theologians is the creation of their empty heads."
2) "The history of the saints is mainly the history of insane people."
3) "Religion is a species of mental disease. It has always had a pathological reaction on mankind."
4) "When we claim 'God does not exist', we mean to deny by this declaration the personal God of theology, the God worshiped in various ways and divers modes by believers the world over... that God of absurd attributes who is an affront to human reason."
5) "Science is now in the process of destroying religious dogma. The dogma of the divine creation is recognized as absurd."
He was known for "daring God to strike him dead" on many public occasions; although he occasionally courted the Catholic church to gain political control, when he did gain control he persecuted both the Protestant and Catholic church by killing thousands of priests and clergy; responsible for 400 to 500 thousand deaths; he was executed by a firing squad while attempting to escape from Italy.
(ref: Haught, J., 2000 Years of Disbelief: Famous People with the Courage to Doubt.; Mussolini, B.
'Homme et la divinite/Bibliotheque Internationale de propagande rationaliste, Geneva)

- Joseph Stalin (died 1953): Became an Atheist/Darwinist after reading Darwin's "Origin of Species", stating:
1) "You know, they are fooling us. There is no God.”
2) "'I'll lend you a book to read (Darwin). It will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense...."
He made atheism the official ideology of Russia and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; he crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and killing more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns during the religious "purge" between 1937 and 1938 alone. Overall, his atheistic dictatorship killed 80 million people by starvation, execution, and war.
(ref: E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, 1940;

- Margaret Sanger (died 1966): Atheist and Darwinist who said:
1) "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it".
Although she was never in power to be a dictator, she was an advocate of eugenics (Darwinist-based attempts to develop a superior race through selective breeding of humans), mandatory sterilizations of the "unfit", and infanticide; founder of Planned Parenthood - America's largest abortion provider responsible for the deaths of untold millions of preborn children.

- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated:
1) "Religion is poison."
2) “Atheism must take the place of belief in a God.”
3) "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."
Although he used the terms "gods" and "goddess" in his colorful poems, he made atheism the official ideology of China and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; lived an opulent lifestyle while the common people starved; his regime caused the deaths of 40 to 80 million people by starvation, torture, and executions.
(ref: M. Zedong, M. Kau, and J. Leung, The Writings of Mao Zedong, 1976; The Poems of Mao Tse-tung, Harper & Row).

- Karl Marx (1818 - 1883): Atheist who famously said:
1) "Man makes religion, religion does not make man"
2) "It (religion) is the opium of the people".
Evolutionist who enthusiastically called Darwin’s "Origin of Species" as "This is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our views.”
Although not a dictator himself, his writings and ideologies were used by many dictators to murder tens of millions. In Russia alone, 20 million Christians were killed by dictators who used his writings. (International Socialist Review, Issue #65; Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Selected Correspondence 1846–1895)

- Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900): Atheist who said: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him."; and "...a theologian, a priest, a pope of today not only errs when he speaks, but actually lies—and that he no longer escapes blame for his lie through “innocence” or “ignorance.” The priest knows, as every one knows, that there is no longer any God." Evolutionist although he disagreed with certain minor points of Darwin's theory; his written work was the ideology behind Nazism which murdered millions; he was permanently placed in an psychiatric asylum after suffering a breakdown. ( The AntiChrist, F. Nietzsche, 1888)

- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945): Evolutionist; although he courted the Catholic church for his political gain, he was very anti-Christian and said:
1) "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.”
2) “Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone...”
3) “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.”
4) Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s minister of propaganda, noted in his diary in 1939: "The Fuehrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."
5) Martin Bormann, Hitler's secretary and right hand man, publicly stated in 1941, "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."
Hitler publicly and repeatedly invoked the name of God as a ruse to justify his brutal military and political actions; he applied Darwin's theory of evolution and "survival of the fittest" while attempting to develop a biologically superior race through ethnic cleansing; showed no regard for accountability to a higher power by killing 11 to 14 million people through starvation, execution, and war; committed suicide to avoid capture at the end of World War 2.

- Pol Pot (died 1998): Evolutionist who, as leader of the deadly Khmer Rouge, adopted Mao's Darwinist philosophies; known for his "Cambodian killing fields"; closed all religious institutions including Buddhist temples but especially persecuted Christians and Muslims; responsible for 1 to 3 million executions, mostly using axes, hammers, and sharpened bamboo sticks to save ammunition.

- Jim Jones (died 1978): Atheist who said:
1) "Off the record, I don’t believe in any loving God. Our people, I would say, are ninety percent atheist."
2) "I felt somewhat hypocritical for the last years as I became an atheist."
3) "You feel tainted, by being in the church situation. But of course, everyone knows where I’m at. My bishop knows that I’m an atheist...He must have spent twenty thousand dollars traveling around, hoping to get my denomination to remove me, because I was so atheistic.”
He was responsible for the 1978 mass murder/suicide of 908 members of the People's Temple cult in Guyana; he personally ordered the executions of several members of the visiting press and a U.S. Congressman.
(ref: The Jonestown Institute audiotape, 1976).



The response from atheists is that these dictators were motivated by communism and not by atheism or Darwinism. In other words, its only a coincidence that almost all of the genocidal dictators of the 20th Century - basically a 'Who's Who' List of dictators were all evolutionists and/or atheists. In addition, since the dictator could not have done the millions of killings himself, he had to employ thousands who shared his values and philosophies to help him. Interestingly, the case of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer (who was an atheist and evolutionist) may shed some light on these questions about the motivation behind their deeds:

Jeffrey Dahmer (1960 - 1994), Atheist/Evolutionist and serial killer, who said:
1) "If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway.
I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing. So the whole theory (evolution) cheapens life."
(ref: Stone Phillips Interview with Jeffrey Dahmer, Dateline NBC, February 1994).

Amazingly, Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity in prison with the help of his father (who himself became a Christian and creationist later in his own life). Dahmer was later murdered in prison. However, he went to Heaven by the grace of God - stories don't end any better than that! If God can save a serial killer, He can save anyone! Thank You Lord for your mercy on him!

So assuming you have made your case, which
no doubt you have to your own satisfaction-
now what?

Is not the moral thing now, to set out to kill
the atheists,drive a stake through the evil
heart of evolution, and cleanse the world
for the good and righteous?

If you let these twin evils live, you are
complicit in the horrors and deaths to
follow, as the unleashed atheists and
evolutionists increase their numbers,
spread, and do their dirty work.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Believers fall back on Divine Command Theory. What is ordered by God can not be immoral by definition. A few users have argued the genocides were completely moral over the years.

The mass genocide of the "flood" was done entirely
by "god", so they say.

God, they say, is incapable of evil, so, it must have
been moral.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Another example of why you Aussistanians so richly deserve spousal criticism.
So I won't even bother.
Mrs Notmiller will take care of it.

You think all priests, ministers and rabbis believe in God? C'mon now...surely you don't. You're way more real world than that.
And of those that don't, I bet there is one somewhere who's a pedophile.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You think all priests, ministers and rabbis believe in God? C'mon now...surely you don't. You're way more real world than that.
And of those that don't, I bet there is one somewhere who's a pedophile.
Don't ruin the joke with minor exceptions, Mr Killjoy.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Don't ruin the joke with minor exceptions, Mr Killjoy.

It was a joke?
*peers suspiciously*

Meh, in that case, as you were.
Let's tell an atheist joke, just to lighten the mood.

How can you tell which one at the wailing wall is the atheist?

He's the one holding a harpoon gun.
 
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