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Why are Christians in defence of them selfs and not Christ?
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Mercy Not Sacrifice
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Interesting. Wiz, what do you mean by this? Those of us who are not Christians would be apt to cite Christians' behavior as evidence or, as seems to be more common, lack of evidence that Christianity is true.
Now of course this gets into the whole realm of close-minded vs. tolerant Christians, etc. But the OP simply refers to Christians in general.
Keep in mind by this that I am not claiming that Christians are any worse than the rest of us. But that is not the claim that needs to be defended here. If Christianity is true, then this will show up as a genuine reflection in its followers. From a statistical point-of-view, the burden lies with those who make the claim of differentiation, not those who question it on the grounds of reasonable doubt. In other words, Christians stand as just another group in the pack unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that their brand of morality supercedes all others'.
Now of course this gets into the whole realm of close-minded vs. tolerant Christians, etc. But the OP simply refers to Christians in general.
Keep in mind by this that I am not claiming that Christians are any worse than the rest of us. But that is not the claim that needs to be defended here. If Christianity is true, then this will show up as a genuine reflection in its followers. From a statistical point-of-view, the burden lies with those who make the claim of differentiation, not those who question it on the grounds of reasonable doubt. In other words, Christians stand as just another group in the pack unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that their brand of morality supercedes all others'.
As a friend you can not say it is good another friend should die, else you are no longer a friend…..
John, Paul and Simon all being Pharisees and the Bible prophesied about them doing so, Yeshua stated not to follow them, yet none are caring to even research it and then help others see……..
They are the main ones that need defending again and again globally for the sake of Yeshua and the true gospel….
John, Paul and Simon all being Pharisees and the Bible prophesied about them doing so, Yeshua stated not to follow them, yet none are caring to even research it and then help others see……..
They are the main ones that need defending again and again globally for the sake of Yeshua and the true gospel….
Mercy Not Sacrifice
Well-Known Member
I have no idea what you mean by this or how it relates to FatMan's or my post.
Christ (Yeshua) is true....
Pharisees are quite clearly not and established Christianity, it can be shown quite clearly alone with a standard KJV 66 Bible
Would you stand against church and colleagues in defence of Christ, if we can show you where?
Do you care as it isnt appearing to me? .
In someways I hear love, that I know must have some heart string to reach you on ..
Just how is all I ask from you? ..
I really have a hard time comprehending you, but I'll try.
There is no need for me to stand against church and colleagues in defense of christ because I know of no threat against him that needs defense. Exactly how is Christ coming under attack, and why does it reflect either positively or negatively on me if I do not make a stand against this non-apparent attack?
I have not heard any attacks against Jesus(I am not saying there aren't any, just that I have not read them), only against those who worship Him.
I don't have to defend myself for being a Christian. But then again, I don't bother other people with my Christianity.
That sounds really great and PC, but Christians are supposed to bother others with their faith. I don't mean push it on them after they say not to talk about it (no one has ever done that to me, but then I only talk a little about it).
To be fair, I also listen about other's faith. Not necessarily true. Not all Christians are asked to witness, nor do many of them want to.
Balaam, Balaam, Balaam!
God will not stand for the murdering of his prophets, what is so hard to understand?
Love your children and family by going and murdering them also and say that is love and see what happens in the eyes of the law.......
God will not stand for the murdering of his prophets, what is so hard to understand?
Love your children and family by going and murdering them also and say that is love and see what happens in the eyes of the law.......
I think I speak for many when I say....What?????
As others have noted, I find attacks on Christ wanting, the few times that such appear I do.
I cherish Christ's love for me in taking an uneeded death upon His shoulders that I may live.
I believe differently, but that is the great thing, accepting different opinions than others.
Echoing Fatman, what???
I believe differently, but that is the great thing, accepting different opinions than others.
There is no doubt that christians witness. I just wanted to point out that not all do so, nor feel they have the duty to do so.
I have to ask you a question, Wizanda. You are always throwing the murder of prophets around. I don't understand what you are trying to say. We Christians know that Isaiah, Jeremiah, John The Baptist and all the other prophets were killed. But how does that pertain to us now? I can not go back in time and stop these deaths. Maybe you can explain it to me so I can understand what you are trying to say.
lombas
Society of Brethren
That sounds really great and PC, but Christians are supposed to bother others with their faith. I don't mean push it on them after they say not to talk about it (no one has ever done that to me, but then I only talk a little about it).
I like to talk about my faith, but living in a country where half of the people don't believe in a God and less than 5% goes to church (I myself rarely go because the Quaker meeting is quite far; to compensate I attend a Catholic, Lutheran or Anglican service sometimes), my "speak-to" group is limited to my girlfriend and some close friends. I even barely speak my family about my faith because they are convinced atheists.
"Defending Christianity ( / Protestantism / Quakerism - I'm not that dogmatic about denominations)" isn't all that simple when you have to answer the question "Why do you believe" in the first place.
Luk 22:42
(42) Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Does it Sound like he gave him self?
Mat 12:14
(14) Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
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Pre-meditated murder
Joh 11:49-52
(49) And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
(50) Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
(51) And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
(52) And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
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Consorting to pre-meditated murder
This was OFFERED, God does not sacrifice, all is God!
Zec 11:13
(13) And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.
So how can he not need defending, many are clear witness of being murders?