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Featured Why am I still a bigot?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by SinSaber, Aug 5, 2017.

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  1. SinSaber

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    I think homosexuality is a sin. Nothing will change that. You may say Paul was just saying lustful gays are sinning, but it can also mean it's the same as lust.

    However, I don't think it's a reason to discriminate. On an individual basis like housing, jobs, and services. Events are a different matter.

    I simply don't hate and call for cooperation. Why am I still a bigot? Are you just trying to feel superior?
     
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  2. SomeRandom

    SomeRandom Still learning to be wise

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    Well if you treat gay people the same way you treat straight people and don't make rude comments towards gay people or anything like that, then I don't think you're a bigot.
     
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  3. fantome profane

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    Would you please explain a little bit more what you mean by this.
     
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  4. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    First off: I should say that I haven't called you a bigot and I'm not familiar with your views beyond your description in this thread.

    That being said, when someome tells me that they believe their god (who they presumably agree with) considers homosexuality to be a sin but then says that they don't hate homosexuals, I tend not to believe them.
     
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    I don't hate my friends or myself, we've all sinned. To hate anyone for any reason is wrong.
     
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    Paul was a great man, but ultimately only human.
    Is the reason you think it's a sin for gay people to marry because Paul said so, or do you actually have an independent reason?
     
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  7. Father Heathen

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    It's simply an arbitrary, irrational, and unsubstantiated stance. Sure, the bible says that it's a "sin", but the bible also supports slavery, selling your daughters, and condemns to death those who eat shrimp or pork, rotate their crops, have tattoos, trim the hair around their temples, speak to menstruating women, or work on the sabbath. All stuff that today we acknowledge as nonsensical garbage, but yet we're still hung up on homosexuality? I hate to break it to you, but those ancient savages might've been wrong about a few things, and just because they claimed to speak on god's behalf doesn't mean that they actually did.
     
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  8. Jayhawker Soule

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    much like, say, being left-handed. Certainly, it's not to be tolerated,

    and there is a word for such intolerance.​
     
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  9. Rival

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    You are not a bigot. It's just that homosexuality is the current issue and no matter what you say, if you disagree with left liberals on their views you are always going to be branded a bigot. Just let it slide.
     
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  10. Erebus

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    Perhaps a comparison would help you understand.

    If I were to say that black people have less moral integrity than white people, would you find that racist?

    I don't see how that could be taken to be anything other than racist, personally.

    I don't need to advocate for racial segregation, I don't need to actually attack or hate black people for that opinion to be a form of racial prejudice. When you say that homosexuality is a sin, you're at the very least implying that homosexuals are less moral than heterosexuals.


    Now I don't personally think that's as bad as, for example, attempting to suppress the rights of gay people. Actions speak far louder than words to me so if you have that view, but don't act on it, it's not a major issue for me. To be clear, I do think it's a prejudiced view and thus bigoted. I strongly disagree with your perspective. Ultimately though, if you have that view but can still agree to live and let live ... eh, it could be worse.

    Note that this doesn't imply you get a free pass in debates. You will have that view challenged if you choose to take part in debates. That's the same for all of us.
     
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  11. The magical volleyball

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    Your right homosexuality is just the current group being attacked by Christians. It use to be interracial couples, then people who got divorced. LGBT is just the latest group of people who are being labeled as sinners, just for trying to live a happy life. Tell me what group do you want to accuse of sinning next? Maybe people who work Sundays, or eat shellfish. Maybe you should instead let this bible verse guide you.

    “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”
    Matthew 7:3 | NIV
     
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  12. Rival

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    I'm not a Christian. You couldn't even be bothered to look at my religion label, could you? The Christian Testament means nothing to me.

    Also, if it's mine or anyone else's belief that it's a sin then nothing you or anyone can say will change that, thanks.
     
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    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
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    It's your own fault for picking a religion with a complicated & unfamiliar label.
    As a Revoltifarian, I know the confusion we can engender in others.
     
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  14. Valjean

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    Do you think it's a sin, or feel it's a sin? Is your opinion strictly biblical?
    If so, do you think eating pork or wearing mixed fabrics is also a sin?

    Why, in your opinion, does God create so many sinners? Why is the anomaly so widespread throughout Nature?
     
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  15. The magical volleyball

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    Your right I wrongly assumed that your religion was just another sect of Christianity. There are so many. Now, I know what your religion is based around. I also understand that it is very unlikely that I will change your mind. But I don't believe anything is impossible.

    So if I want to change your mind I need to know your mind better. So please explain how would people and the world be better off if there were no LGBT, atheists, or meat eaters? Why do you think it's ok to morally judge someone you have never met just because they fit into one of these groups? What reasons does god give for why these people are too morally corrupt to enter the next world? What interactions have you had with these groups to support the assumption that they are as morally corrupt as murderers and thieves?
     
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  16. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    You don't sound at all like a bigot to me. You sound like someone who has come to a conclusion about certain behaviors you believe God does not want us to engage in. You label those behaviors sinful and do not engage in them yourself. Still, you treat those who do with respect and consideration. There's nothing wrong with that.
     
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    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I believe my God has asked us not to use tobacco, alcoholic beverages and tea or coffee, and that if I do so, I am sinning. If I were to tell you that I don't hate (or even slightly dislike) everyone in the world who uses tobacco, alcoholic beverages and tea or coffee, would you tend not to believe me? I certainly hope not!
     
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    When did homosexuality become a behavior?
     
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    It's not about the world being better off. I don't think it would be better off if there were no LGBT people. I think the LGBT people themselves would be happier. From my interactions with them (and I had many at sixth form, because they made up most of my friends, believe it or not) they'd rather not be gay and consider it a curse rather than a blessing. Many really want to have children, but they never will. In my experience many of them are unhappy or depressed and wish they weren't so. In the open they appear some of the happiest people I've met; in secret, they confess to being very insecure and depressed. Regardless, even if there were no LGBT people we'd still have maaaaany problems. Gays aren't really my #1 priority.

    I'm not judging the person, but I think the action is wrong. A homosexual is a homosexual, but the actions are sin. So it requires celibacy. The same as you might be attracted to children, or horses or your neighbour's husband/wife. There are many, many human issues, homosexuality is just one of them. It sucks, but there you go.

    They will enter the next world.

    I never said that.
     
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    Hope you realise that these mitzvot only apply to Jews. The entire Torah only applies to Jews.
     
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