Why Abraham?

[Ebionite]

'Jews aren't who they claim they are' is pretty crackpot.

So why imply that I said it?

 

[Rival]

So why imply that I said it?

Explain yourself then.

Explain your belief about Ashkenazi Jews to us. Or are you going to avoid that with yet another 'It doesn't matter what I believe' when this is literally what this is about?

 

[Harel13]

This website is comprehensive.

But is it legit? Per the "discussion" we had on Friday, I no longer see a reason to believe your sources.

And trust me, I know very well both the Kuzari book and its history.

But as usual, you don't really read my comments. You see that I commented, don't read, surmise whatever you want that may have gone through my head - but usually didn't - and then post some source that proves...what exactly? That there were Kazarite Jews? I wasn't refuting that.

 

[Ebionite]

Explain yourself then.

It's you who made the false accusation, so you are the one who should be explaining himself.

 

[sooda]

@Rival Oh, I see sooda already posted a reference. Then consider everything I have to say on the subject null and void.
Remember that thread about the skin color of Jews not being white?

I really don't want to go there. Jews come in every color and type.. Ethiopian, Spanish, European and Arab. .. and probably more. They sure aren't a race.. I suppose you could say they share traditions and culture and/or religion.

 

[sooda]

But is it legit? Per the "discussion" we had on Friday, I no longer see a reason to believe your sources.

And trust me, I know very well both the Kuzari book and its history.

But as usual, you don't really read my comments. You see that I commented, don't read, surmise whatever you want that may have gone through my head - but usually didn't - and then post some source that proves...what exactly? That there were Kazarite Jews? I wasn't refuting that.

Did you mean Karaite Jews? I think they were a sect from Persia.

The Website is quite good if you read all the links.

 

[Ebionite]

They sure aren't a race.. I suppose you could say they share traditions and culture and/or religion.

When it comes to the right of possession of the promised land it's all about race.

 

[Rival]

The people of the covenant of circumcision are the descendants of Jacob. Presuming that Ashkenazi Jews are so named because they're descendants of Ashkenaz, then they're not part of the covenant.

I want you to explain this. This is what I'm getting at. Why are you presuming that Ashkenazi Jews are Ashkenaz's descendants? No-one has claimed this. That isn't the origin of the term 'Ashkenazi Jews'.

 

[Harel13]

I really don't want to go there. Jews come in every color and type.. Ethiopian, Spanish, European and Arab. .. and probably more. They sure aren't a race.. I suppose you could say they share traditions and culture and/or religion.

Neither do I. I was just remembering that there was in fact such a thread. It was based on verses of the bible that clearly proved that Jews didn't have white skin and therefore white Jews are not in fact real Jews. It was quite fun.

 

[Ebionite]

I want you to explain this.

I don't care. Why did you falsely accuse me?

 

[sooda]

Neither do I. I was just remembering that there was in fact such a thread. It was based on verses of the bible that clearly proved that Jews didn't have white skin and therefore white Jews are not in fact real Jews. It was quite fun.

Well, Hitler didn't consider them white.. He considered them "mud people", but then he thought Arabs, Greeks, Italians and Spaniards were also mud people.

 

[sooda]

I want you to explain this. This is what I'm getting at. Why are you presuming that Ashkenazi Jews are Ashkenaz's descendants? No-one has claimed this. That isn't the origin of the term 'Ashkenazi Jews'.

Doesn't Ashkenaz refer to Germany?

 

[Harel13]

Did you mean Karaite Jews? I think they were a sect from Persia.

The Website is quite good if you read all the links.

*Banging head against wall, multiple times*

 

[sooda]

When it comes to the right of possession of the promised land it's all about race.

Arabs aren't a 'race' either..

 

[Rival]

I don't care. Why did you falsely accuse me?

Because you don't seem to know what you're talking about when it comes to Jewish ancestry at all and seem to be making nonsense claims.

 

[Harel13]

That's it, I'm out of here. @Rival, good luck.

 

[Rival]

Doesn't Ashkenaz refer to Germany?

Yes.

OK let me spell this out.

Ashkenaz = Ancestor of Germans.

Germany in Hebrew = Ashkenaz.

Jews go into exile.

Jews settle in Ashkenaz.

The Jews who live in Ashkenaz become known as Ashkenazi Jews.

It's really not difficult.

 

[sooda]

Yes.

OK let me spell this out.

Ashkenaz = Ancestor of Germans.

Germany in Hebrew = Ashkenaz.

Jews go into exile.

Jews settle in Ashkenaz.

The Jew who live in Ashkenaz become known as Ashkenazi Jews.

It's really not difficult.

I know, but you still explained that well.

On the other hand the Khazars were a Turkic people.

 

[Rival]

I know,

So why is our friend Theo claiming that Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of Ashkenaz? This is literally all I want to know.

 

[Ebionite]

Arabs aren't a 'race' either..

Descendants of Ishmael and his half-brothers have a right to the land of Genesis 15:18, just as the descendants of Jacob have a right to the promised land of Canaan.