PureX
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Reality is not a collection of labels. Nor do the labels help us understand reality when we use them like walls.That's pantheism, not the trinity.
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Reality is not a collection of labels. Nor do the labels help us understand reality when we use them like walls.That's pantheism, not the trinity.
Labels do help to differentiate concepts. Saying that the 'trinity', doesn't mean trinity, is more like confusing, and making words meaningless.Reality is not a collection of labels. Nor do the labels help us understand reality when we use them like walls.
Perhaps PureX means that the doctrine of the Trinity is incoherent, which is why the RCC and the Piscos (and no doubt more) call it a 'mystery'.Labels do help to differentiate concepts. Saying that the 'trinity', doesn't mean trinity, is more like confusing, and making words meaningless.
Trinity doesnt mean trinity doctrine.Perhaps PureX means that the doctrine of the Trinity is incoherent, which is why the RCC and the Piscos (and no doubt more) call it a 'mystery'.
The doctrine says there's only one god, composed of three distinct persons, Father Son and Ghost, each of whom is that god.
You see the problem? How can three distinct persons each be 100% of god? Either he's a corporation with a board of three members, but no, the three don't meet and vote, each of them IS god; or there are three gods; but no, they're distinct persons making only one god.
A total nonsense. But that can happen in religion, as in life.
That answer leaves more questions then answers.in orthodox christianity they believe God is a Trinity, meaning one God with three distinct faces. but why does God have three faces and not just one since he is one God? the answer is love. God is love and love has meaning only when there are many and not just one. father, son, and the holy spirit coexist harmoniously under the name of love and we ought to follow their example and live all as brothers and sisters in the name of God's love.
You forgot to drop the mic again, Rav.That answer leaves more questions then answers.
Personally, I think the concept of the Trinity was invented because the early Church needed a way to add Jesus to the pantheon. So it turned the "spirit of G-d" mentioned in the Tanach into G-d and used that as a precedent to elevate Jesus to the same status.
- According to your response, you're essentially saying that the concept of love has three facets and they are a father a son and a holy spirit. What does that mean?
- Also, if there existed a specific number of "faces" does that mean that "number" existed in tandem with god's existence? That seems like an argument for two gods: love and numbers.
- If there is the ability to exist three distinct faces of this god, does that mean that "difference" or "distinction" existed in tandem with god? That seems like an argument for for the god of "difference/distinction".
- Why three and not two? It seems like that would have been enough to express your principle of love only having meaning when there are many.
- Why not four? or infinite? It seems like with a lot more facets, the impact of the principle might have been greater.
- Why does love not have a friend face? A mother face? A daughter face?
- People can feel and express love - by your reasoning, they are expressing the Christian god. How are the three distinct facets of the father, son and holy spirit expressed by a husband to his wife?
- Possibly aside for a few psychopaths, everyone in the world feels love - and by your definition, the Christian god. If everyone is already intimately connected to your god whether they recognize it or not, what more is necessary?
- Why would "love" create a person who is physically incapable of feeling "love"? Is that loving?
- If "love" already found expression in itself through the love between its three facets, why is there another step called creation? And if another step is somehow useful, then why is an infinite number of creations not?
- Psychopaths aside, if even the worst guy in the world loves someone, what more did love accomplish to bring people closer to itself with the facet of Jesus being sent to earth?
- If the Christian god is "love" does that mean that its not omnipotent since it can't act outside the boundaries of "love"?
- If "love" is the First Cause and there is hate in the world, does that mean that love creates hate?
- If god is love, does that mean that there is no justice, since love loves the victim and the perpetrator the same? Isn't love going to let the perpetrator off because love loves them? Can it do any other?
You see the problem? How can three distinct persons each be 100% of god? Either he's a corporation with a board of three members, but no, the three don't meet and vote, each of them IS god; or there are three gods; but no, they're distinct persons making only one god.
A total nonsense. But that can happen in religion, as in life.
Not at all. None of the analogies work.Ah, so you do understand the doctrine as coherent.
First, technically I'm not an atheist, but nothing hangs on it.However atheists don't believe scripture
no. hate is the absence of love. love doesn't create hate.If "love" is the First Cause and there is hate in the world, does that mean that love creates hate?
it means that the father the son and the holy spirit coexist in harmony and they co-create.According to your response, you're essentially saying that the concept of love has three facets and they are a father a son and a holy spirit. What does that mean?
Ok, so let's try that out.no. hate is the absence of love. love doesn't create hate.
If my question was, "what do the three facets of love do?" then that would have been a great response. But my question is, "what does it mean that the concept of love has three facets and that they are a father, a son and a holy spirit?it means that the father the son and the holy spirit coexist in harmony and they co-create.
Perhaps they had a reorganization, so the Father's head of administration, the Son is head of marketing and the Ghost does public relations which puts [him?] in charge of love?my question is, "what does it mean that the concept of love has three facets and that they are a father, a son and a holy spirit?
Seems awfully self-centred to assume that the God of the universe is the way he is for the benefit of people.The answer is so simple that most Christians just can't grasp it.
There is only one God. But that God manifests apart from us, within us, and through us to each other. Hence, the three manifestation of one Divine Being. (The external, the internal, and the interactive.)
The absence of love is ambivalence, not hate.no. hate is the absence of love. love doesn't create hate.
who told you that? in the beginning there were both love and hate, but love is stronger than hate, that's why everything exists.Ok, so let's try that out.
In the beginning the only thing in existence was love. Then love created everything. Even its absence which previously hadn't existed.
it means love is abundant.what does it mean that the concept of love has three facets and that they are a father, a son and a holy spirit?
I'm getting more confused. Are you a Christian polytheist? There was a god love and the anti-god hate?who told you that? in the beginning there were both love and hate, but love is stronger than hate, that's why everything exists.
Why does three indicate abundance instead of two or 100 or infinity?it means love is abundant.
god knows everything including hate, the opposite of love. and he knows that hate is weaker than love and hate doesn't create. but it still exists as the opposite. it is not wise to live in hate, even though it exists.I'm getting more confused. Are you a Christian polytheist? There was a god love and the anti-god hate?
because three is a sufficient number.Why does three indicate abundance instead of two or 100 or infinity?