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Featured Who was the "Us" at Gen 1:26?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by theQuestion, Feb 7, 2020.

  1. theQuestion

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    Was God talking to 'Themselves'?
    No one else was there?
     
  2. exchemist

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    The Trinity, you see. :D
     
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  3. Nakosis

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    The Father, Son and Holy Spirit? They were all supposed to be there at the beginning.
     
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    Awe... beat me to it. :oops:
     
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  5. theQuestion

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    Genesis 1:26-27 implies that at least one member of Elohim had a female physical form, which doesn't work for the Trinity. Also In the context of the 10 commandments Moses is a member of Elohim.
     
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    Yes I was pulling the poster's leg. I think it is just the royal "we", actually.
     
  8. Unveiled Artist

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    I remember a observant jew explain this. It has to do with the Hebrew language and how they use pronouns etc. I hope someone here can clear it up. It's a language contextual issue not three persons in one.
     
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  9. theQuestion

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    The simple facts are:

    1- Angels ("messengers"- servants of God) were also there
    2- Men are LOWER than angels, yet made in "God's Image"- so too, the angels must have been., and
    3-God's "only-begotten" son was there with His OTHER 'sons'.
     
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    Maybe it is proof that it is more than one God out there? But that Christians should only follow the one who is spoken of in the bible?
     
  11. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Manny, Moe & Jack?
    Moe, Larry & Curly?
    Groucho, Chico & Harpo?
    The Ritz Brothers?

    Note: Yes, I know I left out two Marx Brothers and the revolving actors who played the third Stooge.
     
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  12. Theo102

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    The Hebrew word Elohim is unusual in that it's plural but the associated verbs are usually singular, one exception being "make" in Genesis 1:26. The Aramaic singular form is Elah, when you add the Arabic definite article al you get al-elah which is shortened to Allah. You also get singular forms in Hebrew like Elahi, where the yud suffix means "of".
     
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    1. Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

    The Originator or Possessor of Heaven and Earth himself, along with Possessions of his that he brought forth; that are of his image and likeness prior to the sixth day; that are subservient to his will.
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    2. The answer lies in the definition of us and also the narration of Moses in Gen 1:27.

    us
    /əs/
    pronoun
    1. 1.
      used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people as the object of a verb or preposition.
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    3. If the Most High truly referred to himself as us then Moses would have narrated by using the pronoun They at some point.

    Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    4. But apparently to Trinitarians and others who deny the context of Deu 6:3-4, The Most High seemingly spoke to Moses in dark speeches when it comes to his divinity.

    Num 12:7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
    Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

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    5. Essentially Us is the Speaker or Originator of the doctrine himself along with those of his image and likeness that are subservient to his will. In the NT this particular speaker is referred to as the Heavenly Father the only true God whose voice came from Heaven. But according to some it might be Voice Recording or Voice Mail.

    Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
    Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

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    6. Also This is overlooked but when God talked to Adam he referred to himself as I

    Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

    7. Lastly Moses narrated God as he which should further confirm God is he or himself and not They.

    Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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    8. So essentially I used four verses in Gen Chapter 1 along with definition of us to show that God is himself and not they; Compared to non believers usage of only one verse and dark speeches to claim that God is They because God said Let Us
     
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    prophetic to Jesus. The us is the Father and the Son.

    This is basically prophetic of how Jesus comes to make us again into the image of God.

    The point is that man is made into the image of God twice. first at creation and again by Jesus Christ.
     
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    This verse is referring to El Elyown, not Elohim of Genesis 1.
     
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    I followed you until Elah. How does Allah relate to the plural reference to god in genesis?
     
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    They are different in that Allah is one and Elohim is many (or at least two) who act as one.
     
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    can you go on and add further context of what you are trying to say. What you say being the case, what is your deduction of this?
     
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    Most doctrine about the nature of "God" is based on the fallacy of equivocation. This is why proper names are important.
     
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    AMAZING! The facts are there, yet many insist on adding coprolite!
     
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