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Who Should Be Eligible For Or Exempt From The Draft?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Jul 22, 2021.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    The military draft & registration have been in the news again.
    Women could have to register for the military draft under Democratic bill: Report
    I'd make a poll for the titular question, but there are too many options....
    Gender
    Family status
    Religion
    Political connections

    A few questions y'all can pick from...or bring your own:
    - Should religious belief exempt people from fighting rolls?
    - Or from any military roll?
    - Is this fair to people who oppose combat for non-religious reasons?
    - Should women pregnant or with infants be exempt?
    - Or should all women be exempt?
    - Should men with infants be exempt?
    - Should draftees get a fair wage....say $200,000/year for a fighting roll?
    - Should handicapped differently abled people be forced to serve?
     
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  2. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Wait...are you saying that the US Government is really interested in its public servants' religious beliefs?
     
  3. Stevicus

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    Everyone should be exempt from the draft, and no one should be required to register.
     
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  4. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Very much so at times, eg, qualification for conscious
    objector status, exempting clergy from service.
     
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    This.
     
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    Not only religious but anyone who can give some evidence that they are in opposition to the concept of fighting wars, that they believe it is better to do nothing. Its easiest for religious people to do this since they can show attendance records at pacifist meetings, but I don't think you should limit this restriction to religious people only.

    I think pacifists should be treated the same regardless of their religion. Perhaps allow people to register as objectors beforehand and have this notarized and on public record.

    They could be given a choice to serve and get paid or not serve. Could they serve? They'd have all sorts of aches and temperamental moments, but they could be assessed. Maybe they could do something, but I don't know.

    The main thing is not to pretend that women have the same physical attributes and problems as men or the same emotional makeup. Perhaps there are ways to make everyone more uniform.

    I think that is reasonable.

    I cannot comment on this amount. During wartime it might help take some of the sting out though.

    Some yes, if it becomes difficult to grab normal people. The problem is that there could be high turnover in basic training, and everyone must go through basic training. The initial brainwashing introduces physically and mentally taxing conditions. Its mean, not nice. They aren't nice to recruits.
     
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  7. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Very interesting.
    I must have filled in tens of forms in my life. Also to join law enforcement. Never found "religion".
    Back to the topic...there should be no difference of treatment between men and women.
     
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  8. ChristineM

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    Not being american i should have nothing to say on this, but im going to say it anyway.

    There should not be a draft, military service should be voluntary. Both men and women should be able to volunteer.
     
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  9. Revoltingest

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    Everyone is invited to weigh in regarding
    Ameristan or any other country.
     
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    In the event of a draft, I think the very first to be drafted should be the politicians who voted for the war. They should be required, regardless of age, gender or any other trait, to serve throughout the conflict on the front lines of combat.
     
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  11. ChristineM

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    Thank you for your magnanimous gesture, i now feel not so bad about putting in my two penneth. :rolleyes:
     
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  12. Stevicus

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    I've heard that they've toned it down from what it used to be. They're not as rough or mean as they used to be, although I could be wrong about that.

    My view is that, if the cause is worthy enough, they would have a sufficient number of willing volunteers.
     
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    Looks like she found her way to the front lines, but I don't think she's wearing the proper uniform.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I really doubt anyone will be drafted ever again, a billion soldiers can't fight a nuclear bomb
     
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    What right would a bunch of people in Washington to conscript anyone? It sounds a lot like a violation of the thirteenth amendment.
    I thought we were supposed to have "liberty and justice for all."
     
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    I don't really support drafting women. Just having women join if they want to. Also, in the case of people who really don't want to fight in the war but are drafted, I do hope they get to be just cooks, etc.
     
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    No one should have to register and have their future dangled in front of them like that. It violates the 13th prohibition of involuntary servitude, we have a large military of people who willingly enlisted, and Vietnam suggested it's probably not for the best to have draftees hurried through basic and shipped off to the front lines.
     
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  18. Estro Felino

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    It is called Department of Defense because that's what armies are for. Defense. Not wars in the middle of nowhere.
    And professional soldiers who willingly enlisted, do suffice .
     
  19. Revoltingest

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    But history does tend to repeat itself.
    And as we've seen since the first nuclear bomb usage,
    conventional warfare is the most popular warfare.
     
  20. Revoltingest

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    The draft is indeed an explicit violation of the 13th Amendment.

    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as
    a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have
    been duly convicted, shall exist within the United
    States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

    For people who've not been convicted of
    any crime, to be drafted into military service...
    - It's involuntary.
    - It's servitude.

    However, politicians & even the Supreme Court will at times
    oppose the wording & intent of the Constitution if they feel the
    need. All it takes is a lot of legal gymnastics, rationalization,
    appeals to need, citing of tradition, & lengthy complex legalese
    to make their case. Any highly legal scholar can prove 2 + 2 = 7.
    Supreme Court rejects battle over male-only military draft registration
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...80c0b4-9d88-11eb-b7a8-014b14aeb9e4_story.html
    Exceptions Clause | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
     
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