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Who says Christ did away with the Law??

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by compvett, Aug 9, 2010.

  1. Pegg

    Pegg Jehovah our God is One

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    Luke 22:14-20 “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.”

    Jesus spoke about this new covenant himself. If he was expecting his followers to be tied to the Mosaic covenant there would have been no need for him to discuss a new covenant with them.

    The understood this new covenant from Jeremiahs words at Jeremiah 31:31-34 “I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant; not one like the covenant that I concluded with their forefathers . . . ‘which covenant of mine they themselves broke’ . . . I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people. And they will no more teach . . . ‘Know Jehovah!’ for they will all of them know me . . . For I shall forgive their error, and their sin I shall remember no more

    Notice it is a covenant for forgiveness of sins. The new covenant could not take effect until after Christ has offered himself as the 'lamb of God'... the perfect human sacrifice provided by God to redeem mankind from their sin. Paul speaks about this at Hebrews 2:14 Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed. 17 Consequently he was obliged to become like his “brothers” in all respects, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, in order to offer propitiatory sacrifice for the sins of the people


    Im sorry but I'm not sure why you say that someone changed the law so that all christians get to heaven... could you elaborate?
     
  2. james2ko

    james2ko Well-Known Member

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    How so?

    But of course.:rolleyes:

    If accepting Jesus is the only way for men to be saved (Acts 4:12), what about those without the ability to accept Him, ie mental disability, someone who was born and died in a remote part of the world? The wise and prudent whom God has hidden His truth?

    Instead of wasting valuable space hurling accusations, why not just provide a non symbolic explanation for post 133?



    These verses actually confirm the bible's premise of an unencumbered, unveiled, period of time for an opportunity of salvation for all! Thanks!
     
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  3. Ronald

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    Not one mention of Christians! The new covenant is with Judah and Israel.
    You folks always omit that one needs to be joined with Judah and Israel.
    In fact stand in the doorway hindering those who would come in.
    All Israel shall be saved, but not yet!
     
  4. Ronald

    Ronald Well-Known Member

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    From the beginning God has made it possible for anyone who seeks him can find him and it is written; Isaiah 60:16 You shall suck the milk of nations, you shall suck the breast of kings; and you shall know that I, the LORD, am your Savior and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.
    Salvation comes in his name!
    and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob";
    The new covenant is now, but not yet!
     
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    Ok cool, so I will not waist any more of your valuable time and mine discussing it any further..
     
  6. Pegg

    Pegg Jehovah our God is One

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    Jesus was speaking TO his followers... he applied the new covenant to them.
     
  7. Ronald

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    They were Christians? Not by a country mile. For rhe most part they were Jews of the Way. Thousands! And more every day. And to them the new covenant was opened, But not yet! not everyone knows the Lord, Yeshua has not returned. When he the Deliverer comes and banishes all ungodliness from Jacob then the new covenant will be to the full. Made with Judah and Israel all those who partake are joined to them. Amen!
     
  8. Pegg

    Pegg Jehovah our God is One

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    what are the teachings of your church...i had a look at 'the way' website

    i was trying to find info on this subject, what exactly are you trying to say? Is it that the new covenant is only open for jewish people??
     
  9. Ronald

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    Almost! You must be joined with them. Ro.11:17, Je.31:31and He.8:8 Testamony of two or three witnesses a fact is established. Case closed. :yes:
    The Way, Sha'ul still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high preist and aske him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.
    "I am the Way". Derek HaShem/the Way of God.

    Y H V H never made any mistakes for junior to fix. :no:
     
  10. Pegg

    Pegg Jehovah our God is One

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    I agree Jehovah made no mistakes, im sure that is why the apostle Paul came to realise that one "is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code...” Romans 2:28, 29:

    But can you clarify who one must be joined with? are you saying the jews as in the jewish nationality, or do you mean the same 'jews' Paul mentioned in the above verse?
     
  11. Ronald

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    Three witnesses say to imitate or be imitators of God, the Apostles and the Hebrew faithful. John, the writer of Hebrews and Sha'ul, one of Sha'uls is Imitate me as I imitate Messiah. What? Pray tell will one be doing if they do follow these people?
    Keeping the comandments.
    Just one way to come to God, the way he provided, as the mixed multitude left Egypt, with the blood of the lamb painted on their door posts and now with the blood of the Lamb of God painted on our doorposts. Then either wander in the desert or enter into the promised land. Doing the will of God, we gain entry into the city by it's gates.
    Shalom
     
  12. Pegg

    Pegg Jehovah our God is One

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    and what is the will of God?
     
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    Hi! Jesus simply says that whoever listens to what he said to do ( Matthew 28: 19, 20) and is following two main commandments (Mark 12:30 31) will be saved and will inherit God's KIngdom, meaning will be able to live forever on the paradise earth.
     
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    That's a common misinterpretation, he said all of the commandments HANG on the first two. What this means is that all of the commandments are under the classification of Love for God and Love for Neighbor. Does this mean you can steal? Does this mean you can marry your sister? Does this mean you don't have to obey Sabbath? No, it merely says that all of these commandments are SUMMARIZED by the first two.

    Read Matthew 5:19, anyone who teaches to disobey the least of the commandments shall be called the Least.

    What does he say to the Rich man before he tells him to sell everything so he'll obey the commandment to feed the poor? Follow the commandments.

    1 John 3 "Sin is Lawlessness".

    Galatians 3:12 "By the Law you shall Live (*survive).
     
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    Matthew 5:17-20 The Messiah states:

    Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets. I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18. for verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth passe, one jot or one title, shall in no wise passe from the law till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    When the Messiah says that he has come to fulfill the law he was saying that he was here to carry out the law. All a person has to do is look up the definition of fulfill to see that it does not mean do away with. I personally believe that the laws that were "nailed to the cross' were the sacrificial laws, the messiah was the last sacrifice and therefore followers of the Most high were no longer required to sacrifice animals to atone for their sins.
     
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