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Who pays for free medicare for all?
- Thread starter Kangaroo Feathers
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Actually, a lot of people go down to Mexico for dental care and prescriptions. I've heard it's a better deal, although I've never done it myself. A friend of mine was telling me yesterday that she's going down to Nogales to get her teeth fixed.
Of course, that doesn't mean Mexico will pay for US healthcare, but somehow they still figure into the overall picture anyway. Americans who can't afford US healthcare will go to Mexico where it's cheaper.
Of course, that doesn't mean Mexico will pay for US healthcare, but somehow they still figure into the overall picture anyway. Americans who can't afford US healthcare will go to Mexico where it's cheaper.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
In the UK the NHS saved my wife's life at Kings College Hospital after several weeks of research, an operation and critical care nursing and all for nothing. She receives annual tests and scans since then and for free.
If we had needed to pay then we would not have our little home now nor any savings.
So I will never complain...... ever.
If we had needed to pay then we would not have our little home now nor any savings.
So I will never complain...... ever.
The Tories I do know but the Farage ? I do not know. In what way are they trying to destroy your Medicare
Altfish
Veteran Member
Not your medicare, they want to destroy our NHS
Film shows Nigel Farage calling for move away from state-funded NHS
Why would providing healthcare wholesale be more expensive than buying it retail? The government already spends several thousand dollars a year, per citizen, on health care. Eliminate insurance expenses and extortionate drug and medical expenses by suppliers, and why couldn't government supply healthcare for what it already spends ?
Others have done it.
If employers no longer have to pay for employee health benefits, they could afford to increase salaries.
If employers no longer have to pay for health benefits they could lower product prices. Hasn't GM stated that several thousand dollars of a car's price goes to pay for employee healthcare?
Others have done it.
If employers no longer have to pay for employee health benefits, they could afford to increase salaries.
If employers no longer have to pay for health benefits they could lower product prices. Hasn't GM stated that several thousand dollars of a car's price goes to pay for employee healthcare?
Neoliberal economics is sweeping the globe. Profit is king, and government sees its role more as promoting privatisation and business interests than in promoting the public welfare.
Ok I understand now. I’ve always believed that health care paid by the our taxes should benefit everyone. When those utilities are privatised it would no doubt become unaffordable for many. I hope yours remains the way you would like it . Anything else would lead to greed by a few and misery and hardship for many.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Our system does NOT exclude private health; there is an active private health system, many people have it through work and can queue jump operations or have them at a time to suit them BUT they still have to pay for the NHS
Valjean there are probably a number of good reasons for not doing so. Private Health insurance varies to whoever owns them. And of course there is always the matter of the fine print to what you actually get. Some good I’m sure. But also some bad. There is also the up keep of the payments. People often let things go for a time be that they fall apon hard times or simple forgetfulness. How many let their RACQ lapse for immediate service when their car breaks down. Lots : ) it’s all good and well if your fortunate enough to have stayed employed all your life with private heath insurance. But having that sort of job security is not like it used to be so I have been told . Our employers don’t pay for our heath insurance here it’s paid by rhe people’s taxes but I do agree that employers do pay too much for other things with government taxes and interference which is ok for big companies to bear. But not so good for smaller companies. But to me the health of a country is far too important to be left in the hands of private business alone. We have already experienced this with our electricity power utilities being sold off to private companies in which we now pay so much more for our electricity. I think there are some things that should never be sold.
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When we lived in the UK we needed very little in the way of healthcare other than maternity care. All free at the point of use. Sure we had paid tax and national insurance all our working lives, a percentage of which funded the NHS. So not free but we didn't have any complaints because we knew, in the future we may need it.
We now live in france, the state pays up to 85% if medical bills, less a token 1 euro admin charge for every claim. A private top-up insurance pays for the rest.
Due to cancer my hubby needed several different scans, several blood tests, a radical prostatectomy, 6 months of hormone therapy and 36 sessions of radiotherapy. Including hospitalisation and aftercare total cost €78000+. Cost to us €458. That includes the hire of the DaVinci medical robot, technicians (new technology that is not yet covered by the health service), and several admin charges.
Last summer i needed what should have been a minor stomach op. Over a couple of months it went bad. Stomach abscess, infections, wild blood pressure causing feinting, jaundice, 3 short (2/3 days hospitalisations and one for 11 days that included a 4 hour operation with 8 days of intensive care. Followed by 5 weeks of daily nurse care. Total cost €44750. Cost to us, (although not all is paid yet). Nothing.
When i say nothing, the top up insurance is just under €200 per month and the french health service claims the money back from the UK where we paid out tax and insurance.
Two different systems of universal healthcare, both absolutely brilliant as far as i am concerned.
Hopefully, the UK government will not mess up the NHS any more than they already have.
We now live in france, the state pays up to 85% if medical bills, less a token 1 euro admin charge for every claim. A private top-up insurance pays for the rest.
Due to cancer my hubby needed several different scans, several blood tests, a radical prostatectomy, 6 months of hormone therapy and 36 sessions of radiotherapy. Including hospitalisation and aftercare total cost €78000+. Cost to us €458. That includes the hire of the DaVinci medical robot, technicians (new technology that is not yet covered by the health service), and several admin charges.
Last summer i needed what should have been a minor stomach op. Over a couple of months it went bad. Stomach abscess, infections, wild blood pressure causing feinting, jaundice, 3 short (2/3 days hospitalisations and one for 11 days that included a 4 hour operation with 8 days of intensive care. Followed by 5 weeks of daily nurse care. Total cost €44750. Cost to us, (although not all is paid yet). Nothing.
When i say nothing, the top up insurance is just under €200 per month and the french health service claims the money back from the UK where we paid out tax and insurance.
Two different systems of universal healthcare, both absolutely brilliant as far as i am concerned.
Hopefully, the UK government will not mess up the NHS any more than they already have.
We also have the same here. I have private health cover myself I’m willing to pay that. But I still like to know that we have a good standard of heath cover for everyone. For there may come at time for what ever reason when many of us can’t afford..
We Never Know
No Slack
How much in American $$ is €44750?
Edit. Around $58,000?
IMO in America to have what you had done, the stay in hospital including ICU plus nursing care after would more than likely cost over $100k
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Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
But "would" they if they could?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I can guarantee you all one thing.
The wealthy are not going to pay for it.
Middle-class and lower class is. Every single penny.
The wealthy are not going to pay for it.
Middle-class and lower class is. Every single penny.
I am sure it would.
I have american friend who live close to me. They used to live in England for a while before moving to france. The guy was a keen athlete. He began having back pain and was sent to a specialist. Who immediately admitted him to hospital and operated the next day by creating and fitting a titanium spine around my friends natural spine. There followed 2 months of ICU followed by 3 months of residential convalescence. That was 5 years ago, he now has daily physiotherapy.
If the op was not done immediately the surgeon believed that within 3 or 4 days he would need to spend his life inna wheelchair.
Total cost to him, just over €1000 and that was because he didn't like breakfast at the convalescent home and had a decent breakfast shipped in.
My friends analysis of the different heals services.
In America he would now be crippled because he could not possibly afford the fees.
In England he would now be crippled because of waiting lists
In France, job done. Sure he can't play rugby or ride his bike 80km for lunch. But he is indipendentely mobile and thats worth everything
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