Notanumber
A Free Man
Johnson, Rees-Mogg and Farage are political. Are your Muslim friends political?
Political Islam is a threat in the UK of that there is no doubt.
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Who needs Blasphemy laws when you can use Islamophobia?
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Johnson, Rees-Mogg and Farage are political. Are your Muslim friends political?
Political Islam is a threat in the UK of that there is no doubt.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Political Islam is not a threat; there are a few jihadists that are a threat but so are nutcase left/right wing idiots.
Leaving the EU will lead to immigration of more Muslims (as immigrants will now be African/Asian rather than Polish or Czech) so I expect numbers to rise.
As long as we stop segregated / religious schools integration is easily achievable
Notanumber
A Free Man
It is Political Islam that wishes to deprive us of our free speech. Once we have lost that we have lost all hope.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Yes, and the Tories want to privatise the NHS BUT it won't happen.
Project Fear
Notanumber
A Free Man
You obviously did not watch the video in post #1 before commenting.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Obviously, Propaganda and Project Fear doesn't interest me.
Not when it's based on paranoid nonsense. Dawkins should stick to science and be quiet about social matters because he has demonstrated his ignorance about them time and again.
Well the definition of "political Islam" that I think is most common is something like: "Any initiative whose goal is to introduce some bit of Sharia into a secular society."
Using that definition (which I think is a common definition), this isn't about terrorists, and I think political Islam, like political Christianity, IS a threat.
Do Muslims really attack you, or is it just an impression the news media want to convey?
Notanumber
A Free Man
We do not know what Muslims really want to attack but we do know what the Islamic ideology wants to attack and near the top of that list is the removal of our right to free speech.
Muslims are very peaceful here in Michiganistan.
Remember than just as not all Jews are violent, neither are all Muslims.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Be very thankful that you do not live in the UK.
It is not the many that need concern us. If only 0.1 percent have political aims that is more than enough to remove our free speech.
Free speech is of course under attack from other groups too.
We've even seen Jews here advocating for restrictions on dissing them.
And liberals....we see what they do at universities.
^ this
Notanumber
A Free Man
I am not talking about dissing individuals, I am talking about being able to criticise their ideologies.
Maybe you Americans are not that interested in everyday news from Europe...but...
"Freedom of speech" in Britain is not a given any more....it is more and more reduced.
If we Italians reached that point someday...we would commit a mass suicide...I think...
So am I.
But let's agree that Brits should guard their free speech rights from all who'd attack.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Can you name some others and provide links to some examples so that we can compare the severity?
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Anything like the Charlie Hebdo massacre from Jews?
Erebus
Well-Known Member
No religion should be above criticism and I'm completely against blasphemy laws.
Islamophobia as I understand it goes beyond the dislike of Islam as a religion though. It encompasses the dislike, mistrust or fear of Muslims themselves and we've seen the effects of this in recent years. Religious hate crimes have been on the increase with Muslims apparently making up the largest percentage:
Surge in recorded religious hate crime
Furthermore, despite the common argument that Islamophobia is unrelated to race, Sikhs and Hindus have also been targeted by people who mistook them for Muslims. Certain skin tones and accents can make you a target for people who claim that their only problem is with Islam as a religion.
Labelling somebody as Islamophobic shouldn't be used as a means to silence criticism of Islam. I will acknowledge that sometime it is. I'll also acknowledge that it's a controversial term with some people arguing that it shouldn't include negative attitudes against Muslims themselves (that's been argued a couple of times in this thread). However, the belief that the term is simply a means for Muslims to evade criticism of their beliefs is dangerous. It reinforces an attitude that any complaints Muslims might have about their treatment is seen as having an ulterior motive. We're seeing the harm that line of thinking causes in the UK.
Islamophobia as I understand it goes beyond the dislike of Islam as a religion though. It encompasses the dislike, mistrust or fear of Muslims themselves and we've seen the effects of this in recent years. Religious hate crimes have been on the increase with Muslims apparently making up the largest percentage:
Surge in recorded religious hate crime
Furthermore, despite the common argument that Islamophobia is unrelated to race, Sikhs and Hindus have also been targeted by people who mistook them for Muslims. Certain skin tones and accents can make you a target for people who claim that their only problem is with Islam as a religion.
Labelling somebody as Islamophobic shouldn't be used as a means to silence criticism of Islam. I will acknowledge that sometime it is. I'll also acknowledge that it's a controversial term with some people arguing that it shouldn't include negative attitudes against Muslims themselves (that's been argued a couple of times in this thread). However, the belief that the term is simply a means for Muslims to evade criticism of their beliefs is dangerous. It reinforces an attitude that any complaints Muslims might have about their treatment is seen as having an ulterior motive. We're seeing the harm that line of thinking causes in the UK.