Which one? Revealing, or Concealing?
I see both are valid.
Regards Tony
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Which one? Revealing, or Concealing?
Very true. Loosing our innocence is a big one. Solution is simple, if I understand you correctly, we should stop doing consciously wrongWe consciously do wrong and we loose our innocence
A big loss. I even see it between 2 humans. Impure persons try dragging down pure persons, because seeing their own impurity hurtsBecause God is sinless, our connection or oneness with him is lost.
Inner Sai baba ji.Who is your Savior?
Debt. clearing my account of both good and bad deeds.And saving you from what?
Whenever I read verses about marriage/divorce, my first thought is "marriage/divorce to God"Maybe like a divorce but God continues to pursue us individually
The irony. Quite a few Atheists mock Theists to get a real life. 1 second living with God I value more than 100 withoutSo our spirits become separated from Him, separated from real life, separated from the light of His life.
I used tarnished, because you mentioned "saving us from sin". But a tarnished soul feels weird. I rather would say "lack of awareness from the truth that is already in us, ready to be seen". Also "as He wanted it" would suggest that God has a desire, which is hard to believe for me, as His thought/word materializes instantly. But I could say "as I (being aware of being separated) want it" (not to be separated anymore)So, does tarnished fit that description? I don't know. Maybe the best way is "separated from the life of God" as He wanted it.
You mentioned before "We consciously do wrong and we loose our innocence" + "Because God is sinless, our connection or oneness with him is lost.". This gives me the feeling that our spirit is never tarnished, but due to "doing wrong" we feel just disconnected. "Rebirthed to a perfect spirit" gives me the feeling that "spirit was temporary not perfect". So kind of tarnished, hence I think you meant it figuratively. I have done rebirthing and that removed blocks after which I felt better connected. So after "spirit rebirthing" we are aware again. Because IMO spirit can't be disconnected; we are just not aware.In the Christian understanding, when He knocks on the door of your heart saying "I want to restore our relationship and renew our vows with each other" and we say "yes" - we become what is called "born-again". Our spirits are rebirthed to a perfect spirit that will never experience the separation of sin again.
Are you saying that those Christians will never have the "feeling" again, that they have sinned. Or that those Christians never sin again?Our spirits are rebirthed to a perfect spirit that will never experience the separation of sin again.
Some say "yes", but later they let go of God, maybe even become Anti-theist, or even start sinning again. Does the above still apply to them?So sin can never separate us again from God because now our spirits are remade into the original design of God and forever united with His Spirit.
I have a different view about "Soul". I see it in connection with "Awareness". Emotions in the heart muddy my awareness, hence it seems that "my soul is disconnected", whereas in my view my focus is a bit off; but it's mainly difference of definitions. I do think I have a better picture nowOur spirit is that part that make us eternal beings created by God that was supposed to be made in His image and in His likeness and, when recreated, is just that. Our soul gives us our individuality of personality.
I hope I didn't muddy things up. Let me know.
Thanks for helping me out here. And I agree. Coming from God, I guess both must be validI see both are valid.
Regards Tony
My 'saviour' is also my 'executioner' no different from any sparrow's or squirrel's.Who is your Savior? And saving you from what?
Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: This is not restricted to Theists only of course
Best known is Jesus whom Christians believe/know will save them from their sins
Less known are other Saviors who also claim to save them from ***
Well known is Trump I will save you from ******
Do you need a mediator?
I was following up until the trump part. Just because?
One thing I found is I don't need a savior. There's no one I know of call to,in a spiritual sense, to help me. It's more cultivating my state of being and if I have support, cool. I'd say I have support not savior. I do believe I will die "and" nothing will be left of me but ash, energy, and memories to only those who wish to keep them alive. But save me? What does that mean? (Outside christian context?)
Who is your Savior? And saving you from what?
Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: This is not restricted to Theists only of course
Best known is Jesus whom Christians believe/know will save them from their sins
Less known are other Saviors who also claim to save them from ***
Well known is Trump I will save you from ******
Do you need a mediator?
*) Jesus says that I should love God with "all my heart" + "all my soul" + all my mind" (makes more sense than with all your might")
3) "all my mind" is the easiest one. Mind = bundle of thoughts, so I should "think lovingly of God 24/7" (simple, though not easy)
2) "all my heart" gets tougher. Heart = seat of feelings/emotions, so I should "desire Love towards God 24/7" (simple, still not easy)
1) "all my soul" the hardest. Soul = individual realization, so I should "merge in God (His Love) 24/7" (quite a few obstacles to remove)
IMO: Soul is the toughest one:
*) The Bible talks about "7 Spirits of God" and the "Spirit of God" and about "Holy Spirit" (how we might communicate)
*) People talk about "twin soul" sometimes, so that can't be anything close to God (see 2+3), unless God is your twin soul
*) Jesus might be a good example. First He said "I am a messenger of God", later "I am a son of God", finally "I and My Father are One"
You did not muddy things up. You actually gave some nice and inspiring examples
Very true. Loosing our innocence is a big one. Solution is simple, if I understand you correctly, we should stop doing consciously do wrong
A big loss. I even see it between 2 humans. Impure persons try dragging down pure persons, because seeing their own impurity hurts
I used tarnished, because you mentioned "saving us from sin". But a tarnished soul feels weird. I rather would say "lack of awareness from the truth that is already in us, ready to be seen". Also "as He wanted it" would suggest that God has a desire, which is hard to believe for me, as His thought/word materializes instantly. But I could say "as I (being aware of being separated) want it" (not to be separated anymore)
You mentioned before "We consciously do wrong and we loose our innocence" + "Because God is sinless, our connection or oneness with him is lost.". This gives me the feeling that our spirit is never tarnished, but due to "doing wrong" we feel just disconnected. "Rebirthed to a perfect spirit" gives me the feeling that "spirit was temporary not perfect". So kind of tarnished, hence I think you meant it figuratively. I have done rebirthing and that removed blocks after which I felt better connected. So after "spirit rebirthing" we are aware again. Because IMO spirit can't be disconnected; we are just not aware.
Does this still make sense. Seeing it from different angles, and different words/languages does give me more "feeling" about this unfathomable mystery, which is impossible to describe using words, although words seem useful, to some extend, to poke some interest to go beyond words.
Are you saying that those Christians will never have the "feeling" again, that they have sinned. Or that those Christians never sin again?
Some say "yes", but later they let go of God, maybe even become Anti-theist, or even start sinning again. Does the above still apply to them?
I have a different view about "Soul". I see it in connection with "Awareness". Emotions in the heart muddy my awareness, hence it seems that "my soul is disconnected", whereas in my view my focus is a bit off; but it's mainly difference of definitions. I do think I have a better picture now
So, thanks for all the feedback
So your comment below about the mind would be right! WOOHOO!
Thank you. This makes sense to me, coming from Hindu wisdom. I saw it myself when googling, but now rereading the coin fell.Some say the number 7 is the number of completion and perfectness representing the Holy Spirit.
Some tie it to Isaiah 11 where they synthesize it to being the Holy Spirit's complete capacity as the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit of Wisdom, the Spirit of Understanding, the Spirit of Counsel, the Spirit of Might, the Spirit of Knowledge, and the Spirit of the Fear of the Lord. - but that isn't quite clear either.
"As I understand it", soul is the connector between the spirit and the body of man. When God speaks, He actually speaks to our spirit - Spirit to spirit - and the soul derives the understanding.
When you sin and hurt others, I guess you first should ask forgiveness from the person your have hurt; not just from God, correct?Just a caveat for Christian believers... we will still miss the mark anyone, but now that we are joined by His Spirit, our relationship remains. Fellowship can be hindered, but relationship never changes. That is why "When you sin, confess your fault and he is faithful and just to forgive you and cleanse you from all unrighteousness" restoring fellowship though relationship remains intact.