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Featured Who is your 'lamb who takes away the sins of the world'?

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by whirlingmerc, Apr 13, 2019.

  1. whirlingmerc

    whirlingmerc Well-Known Member

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    John the Baptist, the son of a Jewish Priest said it was Jesus somehow

    In the Passover week a family would pick a lamb the week before the passover supper and it would be with them somehow for a week. Jesus was with Jerusalem the week leading to the passover supper

    How are your sins or the sins of the world health with in your view?

    "Kings will shut their mouths because of Him" "He will sprinkle many nations' Isaiah 52
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    A nice relaxing day with no crisis looming on the horizon.

    That's my lamb who takes away the world's sins.
     
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    There is no sin to be taken away. There is life, and it has enough as it is with its own set of pleasantries and tribulations that I don't need to attach needless and useless bells and whistles to make what is already so wonderful somehow better (or, actually worse given sin is a burden of guilt).
     
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    13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

    14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: 15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
     
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    Ultimately there is the promise to Abraham to bless people from every family on earth

    And regarding Isaiah 52, yes, the listed up one is seen in Isaiah 6, 52 and 57. Taken together they make an astonishing trajectory of thought.

    The first sacrifice for the world may have been Noah offspring the sacrifice after the Ark landed
    and God accepted it and promised never to destroy the earth with a flood.... it was likely a clean animal... possibly a lamb slain for the world.
     
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    Isaiah never mentions Jesus or the Messiah or even the Jewish Messiah.
     
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    Effort and the good example of those who made effort to rid themselves of sin before me is what takes away my sins.
     
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    In Isaiah 61:1 where God Himself anoints the
    Messiah

    The Spirit of the Almighty Lord is with me
    because the Lord has anointed me
    to deliver good news to humble people.

    Which is also a reflection of Psalm 146, what Jesus read in Luke in the synagogue
     
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    Isaiah 6:1 is about Isaiah's commission.

    Isaiah 6 - New International Version (NIV) | Biblica
     
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    Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but if it die, it brings forth much fruit.

    His blood makes the way overflowing all the grave; it's as if the grave could not contain it or hold it. In it was the DNA of Life. A baby is born in blood and this is your sign that life has come and death is passed away. So C for V; grave replaced with grace for all to see.
     
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    Maybe no prophet talked more about Jesus than Isaiah and so he was the spokesman for the Messiah. That's why Isaiah says "who has believed our report and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"

    Because not just the apostles reported Jesus; but the prophets who came before spoke of Him. But Isaiah was told from the first that they would not understand his message. Tradition is that Isaiah hid in a tree from king Manasseh who had them saw the tree in half along with Isaiah. Possibly referenced in Hebrews 11:37.
     
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    The Stone that the builders of the Roman Church of Emperor Constantine have rejected has turned out to be the most important stone of all.

    It was Enoch, from the world that was destroyed by water, who was the chosen cornerstone to which the spirits of the righteous were gathered in the creation of God's new glorious temple of brilliant and blinding light, which is to replace on earth his old tabernacle/tent of Mankind, wherein the innermost sanctuary behind the veil of the flesh, his SON, the SON OF MAN, is currently developing, according to our concept of one directional linear time.
     
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    The Stone the builders rejected is from the final passover psalm, psalm 118 and probably the song sung after the Last Supper when the Bible said 'and they sang a hymn and went to the mount of Olives"

    Not Enoch. The rejected stone is Jesus
     
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    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    Beware of the force that rewards you when you sin.

    ...Yes, the devil is a very nice man. Every time I sin, he helps me.

    ...Likewise, when I follow the God, my life becomes hard.

    Or it could be that I am crazy.
     
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    Yes, the traditional Christian view is shared by the above. It is an ancient world view based on sacrifice of the Old Testament. Christianity described the purpose of Jesus Christ in terms of Old Testament beliefs in sacrifice. It was there view of salvation at the time.

    Most belief systems outside the traditional Christian beliefs accept the ancient view of the purpose of sacrifice. We have spiritually evolved past that belief of the necessity of the sacrifice. Even Judaism is evolving past this ancient belief.
     
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    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    Did you used to be a Christian?
     
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    Yes, and I have left that ancient archaic belief system behind, It is part of the spiritual heritage of humanity as is Judaism, and Islam, but no longer relevant to the universal contemporary needs of humanity
     
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    I take Jesus sacrifice as the final sacrifice for sin and so in that sense I think that is over

    However the New Testament has lots of places where there are other types of sacrifices
    and the Old Testament sacrifices nearly pointed to them somehow
     
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    Sorry son, the builders of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine accepted Jesus, but rejected Enoch
    The books of Enoch from which Jesus and his apostles taught, were cherished by the early Christians and were held in great reverence by many of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Tertullian and Origen, until the early 4th century when, under the ban of dogmatic religious authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, such as Jerome, Hillary and Augustin, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought lost for millennia.

    Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

    365, is the number of days in a calendar year. The Lamb of God who takes on the sins of the world is to be a one-year old unblemished Lamb. Enoch the anointed one, is the unblemished Lamb of God.

    Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

    The great flood, in which the body of Adam (Pre-flood mankind) was submerged in water and the new man Enoch (The post-flood body of mankind arose) was, according to 1st Peter 3: 21; a symbol of Baptism. Where the old physical man Adam, is submerged and the new spiritual man Enoch arises.

    Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives are all direct genetic descendants of Enoch, the only man redeemed from the previous world that was destroyed by water, as spoken of by 2nd Peter 3: 5; as Noah, his wife, their three sons and their three wives are all descendants of Enoch’s six sons, Methusulah, Rigam, Riman, Urchan, Cherminion, and Giadad.

    It was the glorious simulacrum, ‘The Son of Man’ at the ends of time, (Of which Enoch was the chosen cornerstone) who, unlike physical mankind did not have the powers of reproduction, who, from the ends of time, mentally descended into the day of Abraham, who chose him as his God, and in Abraham, was the living evolving spirit of Enoch as he was at that point in his evolution.

    It was to Abraham, that the MOST HIGH in the creation, [The lesser Jahweh the Son of God] said, "In blessing I will bless you and in multiplying, I will multiply you." Our Saviour who offers up his immortal body for those who believe, multiplies by releasing the spirits on which he had evolved.

    From that day forward, all the spirits of Good people who had fallen asleep in righteousness after paying the blood price for their inherited sin, were judged and separated from the unrighteous dead and gathered to the living evolving spirit of Enoch within the bosom of Abraham. Over they, the second death had no power.

    Jesus was the compilation of all those righteous spirits over whom death had no more power. Jesus was who Enoch had become at that point in time of his evolution to become the glorious simulacrum=blue-print of the new light beings that evolve from mankind, who will dwell on earth among mankind.

    The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

    After Enoch in his ascension to the ends of time, had been in the valley of man for three days (Three thousand years) the man Jesus in who were the spirits of the righteous over whom death had no more power, and who was the duplication of Enoch at that point in time of his ascension to the throne of the Most High.

    1st Peter 1: 19-21; but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

    He was chosen before the creation of the world, but which world? The previous world that was destroyed by water, or this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire?
     
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