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Featured Who is the Baha’i Jesus and how does He differ from the Christian Jesus?

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  1. rational experiences

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    If a human said I was doing a perusal of information about why life was attacked and sacrificed and made 2 claims.

    One....the atmosphere owned PHI cooling in the higher heavenly mass.

    2.....ground irradiation sacrificed my life and I witnessed manifestation of man/male presence.

    Reasoning I know as a human living in a phenomena experience, I saw it occur, black or brown wispy smoke, variations to the images that manifested, floated above ground so moved until they disappeared.

    Answer to question, yes I did it to myself as a designer/science machine controller.

    Human, male and brotherhood group mentality/agreement.

    If a psyche says if I change God, my Father adult self, will my human baby still exist afterwards as where I came from?

    The answer was no.

    If you ask a male why did he in modern times build his machine inside of the Earth stone planet mass?

    His answer would be because above ground power plant was already sacrificing life...his subliminal science reasoning would have told him to. Yet all information to study stone radiation is done via a heavenly gas mass...which is not God the Earth.

    Yet his original male theme God O the stone body is sitting inside of the heavenly gas mass as a radiating stone mass. Where his mind psyche places God in science themes...inside of the heavenly gases.

    So if he is trying to contact God in our heavenly mass, then he is trying to contact the mass of radiation that a stone changed body would own radiating, when it does not own it radiating, the science power plant does...own it, machines.

    Therefore if you do a male science study, he said the Temple on the mountain was GOD + DESS, the meaning of which is a female. So then he said the female abominated him.....when he was doing science in his Temple changing God the stone.

    Consciousness was the human teaching in healer science, not occultism/science.

    Consciousness with subliminal feed back lies to itself, and it was proven that it did....was a self human contradiction against self existing. It was how to remove life, it was never about how life was created. For Phi is only a O theme, a circle with a number in reality. It is not anything else.

    How it is related is a want of science, and science first want was to shift the mountain mass by the pyramid into its converted removal/disappearance.

    That sort of original mentality is what human common sense today is arguing against for survival of life. For God is not in the heavenly gases, only spirit is. Which means science had to give gases a new title spirit, so that the possessed science occult subliminal mind could not argue. Now it does for it claims it wants to resource the human spirit, as a Satanic cloud mass with an image in it.
     
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    I will respect that brother. I understand.

    I asked because you quoted this verse. But that's fine. Also, it is not only turning Almah into bethulah or parthinos, it is also misrepresenting the perfect tense, Yet, its all good. I understood your point.

    So blatantly what you mean is that immaculacy mentioned by Effendi is just that she was perfect or rather in English "immaculate" and not the immaculacy as said in Christianity or if that offends some, Catholicism. Alright brother, I would say that's a decent explanation and good.

    the question was brother he was houios Thou theou while Ephraim was prototokos. I explained it. Thus, if its not a mere title, what is the difference between these two? Please explain.

    Of course I already referenced it. Everyone knows this brother but it does not make it so as a title of "Friend of God" but that God spoke to Moses as he would speak to a friend. Anyway, you clarified it so that's fine.

    Okay I understand. I think above I have asked the question more specifically and you should understand I am still not clear. So if you please you can respond, but if you feel this monotonous which I think it maybe, I do apologise and you don't have to respond.

    Thanks a load for your patience. Peace.
     
  3. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    The dictionary will not tell you what it means.

    This link will - Manifestation of God - Wikipedia

    "....The Baháʼí concept of the intermediary between God and humanity is expressed in the term Manifestation of God.[1] Baháʼís believe in a single, imperishable God, the creator of all things, including all the creatures and forces in the universe.[4] Though inaccessible directly, God is nevertheless seen as conscious of his creation, with a mind, will and purpose. Baháʼís believe that God expresses this will at all times and in many ways, including through a series of divine messengers referred to as Manifestations of God.[5] In expressing God's intent, these Manifestations are seen to establish religion in the world.[1]..."

    Thus you post needs further contemplation.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Manifestation says a male human in sciences as first and origin natural self is from sperm and an ovary, he manifests into owning his human being male life form.

    As a self manifestation.

    When he wants to discuss his human Father and Mother manifestation, biological science once said that the anima...animals were their Gods, owning all body forms in all animal life. So said animals were our God "head", what was before our owned bio life.

    That information was quantified rationally as a medical Healer human biological reasoning. Which also quantified rationally how the use of a formula about God the stone attacked our human DNA and had sacrificed it.

    Why the bible was a written human lawful book that detailed that science had committed a crime against the body of God the planet that kept human life safe.

    It also quantified that all human misbehaviour and changed consciousness belonged to irradiation fall out. Why a human was murderer, a criminal liar, a homosexual etc., as a lawful realisation of how the occult/Satanism had attacked our Genetic life.

    Exactly how it was known and taught historically.

    The manifestation of the life of a human baby is not specific to a named evaluation.

    Yet if you were studying the genetics of a human being male born 33 years ago who was being irradiated life sacrificed in phenomena, then you would have given a title of reference about that historic event for legal and lawful written conditions, a RECORD.
     
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    I am contemplating why each manifestation of God teaches different things.
    And if they teach differently who should prevail as the supreme and final word of God?

    Adam - knows nothing but to procreate. Isn't he the man who let sin and death enter the world?

    Romans 5:12 New International Version (NIV)
    Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

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    Why in the world should he be a "manifestation of God" when he did not teach anything and was responsible for man being mortal? His sin made his descendants mortals.
     
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    Noah?

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    Noah's obedience saved his family from the destruction of the flood when God decided to end life when it became evil. He saved different species of animals and followed God's instruction to the letter. After the 40 days and 40 nights of deluge, God made a covenant with him and the rainbow was the sign of that covenant.

    Now, what teaching or doctrine did Noah impart or did Noah create a religion?
    Why is he considered a manifestation despite of the absence thereof?
     
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    Oh no! It's Krishna again!

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    There were a few discussion on why on earth was he blue. And I found out that he was blue because he had 8 wives and over 16,000 junior wives. But I won't go back to how funny that would have been. Krishna as a character developed a religion - the Hare Krishna movement is a branch of Hinduism, formally known as Gaudiya Vaishnavism.

    As you can see on how Krishna is worshiped, venerated or honored - all of these runs contrary to the teachings of other alleged manifestations of Baha'i - the Law of Moses is violated and the teachings of Christ is violated.

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    Numero uno - was violated as well as numero dos.
    Not to mention numero siete was violated by Krishna by having 8 wives and over 16,000 junior wives.

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    He has 5 seconds to please each and every wife a day!
    Now why on earth would this guy be a manifestation is it because of his libido?
     
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    My understaning is, if any of Messengers of God said I am the son of God, It was true, in a spiritual sense. But each of Them came with special title. The main reason Jesus presented Himself as Son of God, was because He did not have a biological father, thus He said His father is God. There is also a wisdom why Jesus was born as a fatherless human. Bahaullah in the Book of Iqan wrote, it was a test from God: Prior to His mission, Jesus was known among people as someone who was born illegitimate, because, from outward seemingly, His mother became pregnant when she was not married yet.
    Thus, once Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, it was a difficult test for people to even consider Him, who was fatherless as the Messiah. That is because God expected everyone to investigate truth, rather than quickly judge and reject Him.
     
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    The Bible a self contradiction. God loves you he says.

    First and origin, does God exist without a human? Yes.

    O the Earth a planet named God the stone philosophy for machine science can be talked about when no human existed. Yet the planet did and so did the atmosphere.

    Real science.

    Then there is the coercive science, who knew that science attacked natural life and its firstborn. First born means that humans as 2 adults first had to have sex to own a baby.

    God is inferred sexually if anyone cared to reason why modern day science said, do not infer science by male and female comparisons, for then you would claim that you know by a science formula how God invented humans.

    Which would mean you would believe in the Sun machine theme, aliens, hot metal sun radiation mass that bored holes into the Planet, as a fake God abomination theist. Who said now I will call Mother Earth with a dybbuk in its belly.

    Not sensible, and not real.

    Therefore when a planet and its atmosphere exists first created, without a human then you know you are NOT God.

    So then you have to ask, why did God attack our human life.

    The same reason, for humans claiming that a human life began as stone, to infer information as and by stone and then add onto it as it we were built.

    Where the fake ARK theme comes into the theme....of boards, wood, and then boarding.

    And then there is Jesus stated to be sacrificed on wood.

    Hence you would say, okay so males did it again, did occult science, involved the natural Garden nature, where wood owns a higher mass amount of radiation in it to be a bio life form as the product wood. Try changing and converting your bio organic life cell into wood and see what would happen to you.

    Science themes strings.

    Science cannot own a string today that says, humans back to mutated monkey type humans to monkeys back to dinosaurs....and lets not forget, oh that is right sea creatures came out onto the land, and then include the Garden Nature, and claim sanity in the process.

    If you said I OWN, what do you really own as a human in science?

    A scientist would do a body appraisal on you and say, of course, I am a human and so are you. We live for about 100 years and then stop living.

    Life he says is eternal for it owns no death, for you have to be alive to see a dead human. If everyone was created equal as 2 humans, then they both would have lived the same life, died together as first human memory.

    We are all babies that inherit DNA and an adult life, and then adult memories as recorded life history, and the study reincarnation theme....to know complete past life information proven many times.

    So if a human had no beginning, for before us between an ape and our life is the atmosphere, all of the gases of a natural atmosphere separates our 2 bodies.

    The mind would say an Ape....an Ape because the form as a God "head" meaning human is thinking about the animal ended as the body Ape...and then all of the heavenly mass/spirits separates the human from that Ape....rationally as owned by the planet God O.

    Now if you stopped claiming O God and just said Planet Earth, the whole story and theme then changes how it is taught and read as information about human and their sacrificed genetics. If you had to re teach a story in science for science to claim, and no human ever owned a theory/formula for the invention of a human being, due to past occult lying.

    For occultists do lie and coerce in groups for the self purpose only. What lying is about as that history, lying for control, for group control, for elitism and self status.

    Humans today are sick and tired of being lied to and manipulated and abused.

    Everyone has said we have had enough and want change.

    Now the measure said the O Earth is surrounded by its own spirits that Immaculately formed by spatial cold and pressure, which just a release of gases as a gas out of a volcano no longer is involved with. Why it was taught as Immaculate and mysterious changes, that cannot be explained, for space and thinking says so. Not too difficult to make that statement with it being believable.

    Not everything can be known. So egotists have to accept that status.

    A measure is length and breadth.

    The study of science said that Earth O in its gases only owned filling in of space as BREAD TH. Meaning gas space allows the freedom of movement to walk around. So we walk in spirit upon spirit.....as even beneath our feet, the gases exist. How relativity was taught.

    Now Trees are ground rooted. So if you study de materialization by disintegration of matter into particles as the mountain with UFO flooded Earth vision said...then the roots of the trees own a depth, if you thought I want to transport spirit of our Nature back into just being spirit.

    To do so, first you would have to placate the Nature living on the O planet, hence you said it was owned by O God first, the planet as a thinker. Yet God only owned the body stone. So then you realize the first of many lies, the coercive contradiction.

    Philosophy and the Teachers of Christ owned this teaching in the past, and it was verbal. Owned by the males who understood.

    Then you would understand how sink holes were formed in that cause and effect UFO attack, due to the want of a layer of the surface of Planet Earth to be de materialized so that the Tree wood roots could be released. Factually.

    Luke 9:62
    And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

    Ask yourself about the etchings and lined striations on the body of stone, and then think about how much mass used to exist on top of the Earth, for those radiation cuts went quite deep when they ploughed the stone.
     
  10. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    It is known as 'Progressive Revelation'. As our capacities evolve, so does God give us a Message to Guide us.

    Adam was the first to show us how our choices define us. We either choose God's Will or our own and we were taught choosing our own will over God's lead ius to our destruction.

    That Message continued to Jesus the Christ and it was time to show us that we are each responsible for those choices by accepting God's Messenger by being born again in the Spirit.

    It is an immense topic. We have so much to learn.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    I see on though is that the story of Noah is that of obedience. It shows us that life will always give us challenges and that we will fall and pick ourselves up. That in the end God will bring us the ark of salvation, only in our obedience to God's Laws. I see it is also a story of prophecy, of things to come in each age.

    To me that Ark is built in every age, calling us all. The Law now cones from the Arc built on Mount Carmel.

    That's what I have embraced. Others have their choices to make, the flood is upon us.

    The great and terrible day of the Lord.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    One will find what one is looking for. Krishna was indeed a Manifestation of God.

    Remember many people have said many negative things about Jesus, so how is it we find the Truth, if we choose not to look without predudices directly at the source?

    What you will find is many things Jesus said about God, Krishna offered as well.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Other than because Baha'u'llah said so, why believe in something that could so easily has been fictional? Only two gospel writers mention it, and like the resurrection stories, they contradict each other. Not to mention using an out of context verse and say that one verse was a prophecy.
     
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    Krishna is, as I recall, the eighth incarnation/manifestation. Why ignore those others? Then, I think number ten is Kalki, who I'd assume Baha'is say is Baha'u'llah, so between all the other manifestations between Krishna and Baha'u'llah... is number nine? And why are all the others not mentioned?
     
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    So good old, very old, Noah. His age literal or figurative or fictional? The flood... literal, mythical or symbolic? And, since Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses are all patriarchs of Judaism why make them all "manifestations" As asked before, the Biblical accounts of them do not describe people that were "perfectly" polished mirrors... one of the definitions, and a very important one, of a manifestation? Then, do Baha'is believe the stories written about them in the Bible are literally true? If not, then what do we really know about them? Nothing... but now, because of Baha'u'llah, we know one thing about them... they were all manifestations of God.
     
  16. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Jesus made that easy, By Their Fruits you will know them.

    A lot of the original teachings from many of God's Messengers have been lost.

    Thus it is now to acknowledge our Oneness, acknowledge our One God and embrace our unity.

    Our peace and security are unattainable unless and until our unity is firmly established.

    You may like to see this, a Baha'i wrote to the Universal House of Justice about the future governments of the world.

    Question "Is there any definitive guidance on what we will do when the Baha’is become a majority in a country? Will the national assembly take over? Or will we form a new government by other means. I am worried about shutting people out of the administration of a government. I am afraid we will cause bad feelings. Could we have a different law for Baha’is and other people so as to not impose Baha’i law on others?"

    Answer; " Dear Bahá’í Friend,

    The Universal House of Justice has received your email message of 12 June 2018, seeking guidance about the nature of the administration of a country when the majority of its population will have accepted the Faith and how in that circumstance minorities would be treated. We have been asked to convey the following and regret the delay in our response.

    It is not possible to describe with particularity how the governance of a country might be affected when the majority of its people accept the Faith. However, any change will be by democratic means and not by force. The writings of our Faith make it clear that under a Bahá’í system the rights of minorities must always be respected and upheld. Shoghi Effendi has enunciated this principle:

    Unlike the nations and peoples of the earth, be they of the East or of the West, democratic or authoritarian, communist or capitalist, whether belonging to the Old World or the New, who either ignore, trample upon, or extirpate, the racial, religious, or political minorities within the sphere of their jurisdiction, every organized community enlisted under the banner of Bahá’u’lláh should feel it to be its first and inescapable obligation to nurture, encourage, and safeguard every minority belonging to any faith, race, class, or nation within it. (The Advent of Divine Justice (Wilmette: Bahá’í Publishing Trust, 2006, 2015 printing), p. 53)

    With loving Bahá’í greetings,

    Department of the Secretariat

    There is no reference in the writings stating that every single person will become Bahá’í, but at least half of them will. Rúḥíyyih Khánum used to say that Shoghi Effendi was asked this question quite often by pilgrims. He would answer by saying that, in this Dispensation, the totality of the peoples of the world will not become Bahá’ís, but the majority will.

    [‘Alí Nakhjavani, “Shoghi Effendi: The Range and Power of His Pen” ](https://ocean.bahaistudies.org/reader/#/reader/_id/undefined)

    This seems to indicate that the nature of government in each country will be different, and the NSA of each country will not be in charge."

    Regards Tony
     
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    That is indeed how the Baha'i Jesus differs from the Christian Jesus.

    We also see the promise has been kept and is being fulfilled as we speak.

    Regards Tony
     
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    I couldn't help but notice that myself.
    Nothing resembling it.

    Monotheistic Trinitarianism was one of the assorted irrational teachings I was indoctrinated with as a child.
    I fully expected to find an explanation from Jesus, once I got hold of a Bible for myself. Turned out the opposite, Jesus never said anything like that. That's about when I realized that religion is fiction.
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    I don't know why you people could make a simple thing so complicated.

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    They act as perfect mirrors reflecting the attributes of God into the physical world.[2] Baháʼí teachings hold that the motive force in all human development is due to the coming of the Manifestations of God.[3] The Manifestations of God are directly linked with the Baháʼí concept of progressive revelation.
    Manifestation of God - Wikipedia.

    Adam - never did establish a religion
    achievements - ate the fruit with Eve...and man was banished from the Garden of Eden.
    Because of Adam, all people have to die.

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    Romans 5:12 New International Version (NIV)
    Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned

    This is what the first man did. Well by the way, I just remembered that one of you Baha'i in this forum is well verse in "evolution" and this is confirmed in:

    While ʻAbdu'l-Bahá states that man progressed through many stages before reaching this present form, ʻAbdu'l-Bahá states that humans are a distinct species, and not an animal, and that in every stage of evolution through which humans progressed, they were potentially humans.

    Baháʼí Faith and science - Wikipedia

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    So where do you put Adam and Eve in evolution? Before the primate?

    Noah - never did establish a religion
    achievements - saved his family and saved the animals from the flood by building the ark. Got drunk cursed 2 of his children while blessing the other 2.

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    Genesis 9:20-29 New International Version (NIV)
    Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.

    When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, he said,

    “Cursed be Canaan!
    The lowest of slaves
    will he be to his brothers.”

    He also said,

    “Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem!
    May Canaan be the slave of Shem.
    May God extend Japheth’s territory;
    may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,
    and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.”

    After the flood Noah lived 350 years. Noah lived a total of 950 years, and then he died.

    Krishna - has a religion
    achievements - he turned blue after marrying and pleasing 8 wives and more than 16,000 junior wives.

    Consorts Radha; Rukmini
    Satyabhama, Jambavati, Kalindi, Mitravinda, Lakshmana, Satya, Bhadra, Nagnajiti and 16,000–16,100 other junior queens[4][note 1]


    Krishna (/ˈkrɪʃnə/,[6] Sanskrit pronunciation: [ˈkɽɪʂɳɐ]; Sanskrit: कृष्ण, IAST: Kṛṣṇa) is a major deity in Hinduism. He is worshipped as the eighth avatar of the god Vishnu and also as the supreme God in his own right.[7] He is the god of compassion, tenderness, love[8][9][10] and is one of the most popular and widely revered among Indian divinities.[11] Krishna's birthday is celebrated every year by Hindus on Krishna Janmashtami according to the lunisolar Hindu calendar, which falls in late August or early September of the Gregorian calendar.[12] Krishna is usually depicted with a flute in his hand.

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    Krishna - Wikipedia

    The guy [if this blue man existed] have present followers today - worshiping his images/statues in India.

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    His teachings are contrary to the teachings of the Bible.

    Moses - established the true worship among the Israelites
    achievements - God approved prophet, the laws of the Torah

    Exodus 20:4
    “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

    How does that fit with Krishna [who has followers today]? How does progressive revelation fit in?

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    Exodus 34:17
    “Do not make any idols.

    Deuteronomy 29:17
    You saw among them their detestable images and idols of wood and stone, of silver and gold.

    Deuteronomy 32:16
    They made him jealous with their foreign gods and angered him with their detestable idols.

    Deuteronomy 32:21
    They made me jealous by what is no god and angered me with their worthless idols. I will make them envious by those who are not a people; I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.

    Conclusion: Like water and oil do not mix, religions not of God does not mix with the religion of God.

    2 Corinthians 6:15 Common English Bible (CEB)
    What harmony does Christ have with Satan? What does a believer have in common with someone who doesn’t believe?

    And come to think of it - I haven't touched Buddha and the rest yet.

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  20. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    Why bother, be happy as you are.

    No one wants to change your views.

    All the best and much happiness.

    Regards Tony
     
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