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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Servant_of_the_One1, Apr 5, 2017.

  1. Servant_of_the_One1

    Servant_of_the_One1 Well-Known Member

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    And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who art thou?”

    20 And he confessed and denied not, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.”

    21 And they asked him, “What then? Art thou Elijah?” And he said, “I am not.” “Art thou that (the) Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”

    22 Then said they unto him, “Who art thou, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What sayest thou of thyself?”

    23 He said, “I am ‘the voice of one crying in the wilderness, “Make straight the way of the Lord,”’ as said the prophet Isaiah.”




    I ask christians who is that Prophet which Jews were so eagerly to ask about.

    It cannot be Jesus because he is already mentioned as "christ"
     
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    They asked whether he was a prophet. They weren't being specific. He said no. What's your point?
     
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    Jesus wasn't a prophet, according to the New Testament, btw.
     
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    Read again.

    They asked him:are you that prophet(mentioned in OT)
     
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    Did a bit of research. "The prophet" being asked about was Elias. Elias was the prophet who, according to Malachi 4:5, was expected (back from heaven) as the immediate forerunner of the Messiah.

    Sorry buddy. They weren't referring to Muhammad. Nice try though.
     
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    actually he was, a prophet is without honor in his own town, country. he wasn't referring to someone else in the context of his conversation with those who took offense.
     
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    Is this what other christians also believe?
     
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    I think you mean Elijah?
     
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    I believe it is the prophet that God mentioned he would raise up from the Jewish nation. "I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you [Moses] , and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him." The apostle Peter applied this prophecy to Jesus Christ in Acts 3:20-22; God "may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus. Heaven must hold this one within itself until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old. In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you.'"
     
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    how come?
    "he gave the right to become children of God"
    How many times?
    How many times lost?
    How many times forsaken?
    You called I repented .. You said I willfully sinned... You called my Jesus an animal... I tried to kill myself..
    THEN SOMEONE ELSE ANSWERED..........
     
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    I can't speak for other Christians, but Elias was "that prophet" the text is referring to.
     
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    Aren't both correct? From what I've seen about this topic, he can be referred to as either Elijah or Elias. I know that he is the one who drinks the wine at passover though ;).
     
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    Oh I see now Elias is a variant of Elijah. I thought it was the English name for the prophet Elisha, but it looks like Elisha is spelled normally in English.
     
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    You are right and to me, Not Jesus, but rather referring to John the Baptizer - Matthew 11:11-13 ( Luke 16:16 )
    So, gospel writer John is referring to Jesus' cousin John the Baptizer or John the Baptist.
    Isaiah 40:3 is in connection to John 1:23
    ' Prepare the way ....' in the sense that cousin John was the P.R. Man ( public relations man ) for Jesus.
     
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    They are asking John the Baptist the question. The reference to "that prophet" is not referring to John the Baptist. The crowd is asking John the Baptist whether he is Elijah.
     
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    So u telling me the jews were asking this:
    Are u Elijah?
    Are u Christ?
    Are u Elijah that prophet?

    I would tell them: "didnt u hear what i said? Iam not elijah ok?!"


    When u said Elias i though someone else, not Elijah.
     
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    and John answers at John 1:21 that he ( John the Baptizer ) is Not the Prophet, and he is Not Elijah.
     
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    I know. I never suggested otherwise. The one they were questioning is John the Baptist. The "prophet" referred to in John 1:21 is Elijah.
     
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    I did find this

    In the time of the Second Temple there was a greater variety of messianic figures than later. The Old Testament Book of Zechariah already makes mention of two messianic figures, the high priest and the messianic king. This idea did not disappear from the rabbinic literature where the priest of righteousness (Kohen ẓedek) is sometimes mentioned together with the Davidic king Messiah. These two figures, the priest and the king, are important for the eschatology of the Dead Sea *Sect , the eschatological high priest being more important than the scion of David. The third figure occurring in the Dead Sea *Scrolls with the two messiahs is the prophet of the Last Days. Thus in the Dead Sea Scrolls there are three messianic figures which correspond to the three main functions of the ideal Jewish state, in which kingdom, priesthood, and prophecy shall exist (see I Macc. 14:41). The three eschatological figures of the Dead Sea Scrolls are therefore based upon a broader ideological concept. These three figures are reflected later in the theological concept of the ancient Jewish sect of the Ebionites (see Jewish Christian *sects ) according to which Jesus united in himself the function of king, priest, and prophet. The importance of the Davidic Messiah in Judaism who weakened or caused the disappearance of the other messianic figures was the outcome especially of the Old Testament heritage because the eschatological king is hinted at in the Hebrew Bible.​

    here after a link I found here (which incidentally may be where the OP got his quote from). In Pharisaic Judaism, Elijah is called 'Elijah the Prophet' and also the 'Righteous Priest'. This may point to an Essene source for John where the prophet and the priest are split.
     
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    and, to me, John answers: "No" he is "Not" Elijah or prophet of John 1:20 as it reads at John 1:21 B.
    To me, those 1st-century Jews were in expectation of Elijah coming to fulfill Malachi 4:5-6. - Matthew 17:10
    And some just thought John was Elijah according to Matthew 16:14 because John wore a hair garment and leather girdle as Elijah did. - 2 Kings 1:8; Matthew 3:4.

    Remember the angel had already told John's father Zechariah that John would be coming with Elijah's 'spirit and power' ( Not be Elijah ) but have his high-spirited power to get the people ready for Messiah to come at that time. -Luke 1:17 Also, the transfiguration was Not a real happening but a 'VISION' according to Matthew 17:9
     
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