Who Has the truth? Who Will Bring World Peace?

[It Aint Necessarily So]

This video from the Australian Blood Authority tells a different story....
For Media | National Blood Authority

From your link: "Blood, still saving lives ... but there are risks. Highlights the benefits and risks of red blood cell transfusions"

Blood is still saving lives. Did you read the link before posting it?

God can do whatever he has a mind to do

But usually chooses to do nothing, just as would be the case if there were no god at all. How many sentences have you written that began, "God doesn't force us to ..."? That's why the world can be explained in terms that include no gods.

I would agree with you if you said that that fact doesn't rule out gods. But you seem to think that the scientists are leaving gods out of their scientific theories for nefarious reason. No. They just haven't found a god or a need for one. They've found protons and proteins, and DNA and the cosmic microwave background radiation, but no gods

Baha'i take other people's scripture and reinterpret it to suit their own belief system. How is that not plagiarism?

Where did you get your Old Testament from? The Jews will say that Christianity took its scriptures and reinterpreted them to say what they wanted them to say, especially regarding OT messianic prophecy.

its the ones who turn apostate and slander their former brothers by telling half truths about their own "sad" experiences.

It's not slander if it's true. @RedhorseWoman seemed pretty informed and credible to me. And she's not the first I've heard tell that story. When multiple independent sources say more or less the same thing, it lends credibility to all of them.

So all [former Jehovah's Witnesses] do is sit and whine about how unfair it all is...and how they know better than the governing body.

That's not what we saw here. There was no whining, just the dispassionate stories of people familiar with the Jehovah's Witnesses as insiders. Your comment above is closer to whining than what we have read here.

Humans do not possess the capacity for self-rule because God did not design us that way.

Some human beings are capable of self-rule. Many people are free, autonomous, and self-actualizing. Others like to be part of an organization that tells them how to live.

And many governments have been successful keeping citizens relatively safe, free, and prosperous for centuries. Isn't that true of the Australian government? Doesn't that description describe your life? You only see failure.

Adam and his wife were convinced in the beginning that making their own decisions was a good idea.....but it has all failed.

Actually, man's curiosity and cleverness have made his life longer, healthier, easier, more comfortable, and more interesting. You and I both are using one of his clever inventions now (actually several when you realize how much technology connects our two computers) to tell us what a failure mankind is.

I've found that making decisions for myself has worked out better than letting others make them for me. Even when I substitute the informed opinion of an expert like an attorney or architect, it's still me making that decision. And if you think about it, it was your decision to submit to the Jehovah's Witnesses rules for your life.

came the "United Nations". (Luke 21:10-11) We have not experience real peace since then.

I have, as have many millions of others.

And if we are to make our world more peaceful, the answer will not from religion, especially religions of despair

It was the Christian George Bush who led the charge to invade Iraq in 2002-03, based on lies about weapons of mass destruction, with conservative Christian America cheering him on and plastering their cars with God Bless America bumper stickers. Secular humanists were among the advocates for peace, and were jeered at for it.

 

[sooda]

From your link: "Blood, still saving lives ... but there are risks. Highlights the benefits and risks of red blood cell transfusions"

Blood is still saving lives. Did you read the link before posting it?

And many governments have been successful keeping citizens relatively safe, free, and prosperous for centuries. Isn't that true of the Australian government? Doesn't that description describe your life? You only see failure.

Actually, man's curiosity and cleverness have made his life longer, healthier, easier, more comfortable, and more interesting. You and I both are using one of his clever inventions now (actually several when you realize how much technology connects our two computers) to tell us what a failure mankind is.

I've found that making decisions for myself has worked out better than letting others make them for me. Even when I substitute the informed opinion of an expert like an attorney or architect, it's still me making that decision. And if you think about it, it was your decision to submit to the Jehovah's Witnesses rules for your life.

I have, as have many millions of others.

And if we are to make our world more peaceful, the answer will not from religion, especially religions of despair

It was the Christian George Bush who led the charge to invade Iraq in 2002-03, based on lies about weapons of mass destruction, with conservative Christian America cheering him on and plastering their cars with God Bless America bumper stickers. Secular humanists were among the advocates for peace, and were jeered at for it.

Excellent post.. We just can't glorify lack of education and superstition..

"It was the Christian George Bush who led the charge to invade Iraq in 2002-03, based on lies about weapons of mass destruction, with conservative Christian America cheering him on and plastering their cars with God Bless America bumper stickers. Secular humanists were among the advocates for peace, and were jeered at for it"

 

[Shad]

Lol....you know I made the point. Read the posted link more thoroughly, yourself!

I did. Your link is what provided the information that the testers used modern knowledge. Ergo the test provided nothing

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I did. Your link is what provided the information that the testers used modern knowledge. Ergo the test provided nothing

Explain the ratios of those dimensions, then. Was it fortunate guessing?

You can't be that obtuse!

 

[Shad]

Explain the ratios of those dimensions, then. Was it fortunate guessing?

A lot of dimensions will float with the right internal structure supporting it. However without that structures those numbers do not prove anything

You can't be that obtuse!

Wrong. You are still ignoring modern knowledge was required for the test thus provides nothing.

 

[Deeje]

The same way Christs fulfills the Old Testament and Christian use of it, is not plagiarism. All those and many other scriptures sing the Praises of the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Regards Tony

Excuse me, but Jesus was Jewish....the OT is our scripture too. The NT is about what a true Jewish prophet taught those whom he led out of a corrupt religious system as their Messiah. It was the scripture that he and his apostles used to prove who he was. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

The Bab and Baha'u'llah are missing from those scriptures entirely....unless creatively inserted into verses that apply only to Jesus and John the Baptist.

Of course, you are free to believe whatever you wish, but only at the time of judgment will we all know for sure. According to the apostle Paul, our hearts will lead us where it wants, and where we need to be according to the person God sees. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12) We will all know then who was 'deluded' and who wasn't. God allows us to be who we are by our own choices.

Paul was once very seriously deluded himself, (violently opposing the Christians) but Jesus corrected him, harnessing his zeal for God's worship and using him to promote the truth to his own people as well as to Gentiles. That could not have happened if Paul had stubbornly stuck to what he originally believed. Only those who "love the truth" will fearlessly promote it, amid vehement opposition.

There is a lesson there for all of us, I believe.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

A lot of dimensions will float with the right internal structure supporting it.

Not according to the naval engineers:

"In fact, the Ark’s careful balance is easily lost if the proportions are modified, rendering the vessel either unstable, prone to fracture, or dangerously uncomfortable."

It's moot to debate these facts.

Take care.

 

[Shad]

Not according to the naval engineers:

"In fact, the Ark’s careful balance is easily lost if the proportions are modified, rendering the vessel either unstable, prone to fracture, or dangerously uncomfortable."

Irrelevant as they didn't include any stats regarding any tests of alternative models with their injection of modern knowledge. It does not prove anything about the Biblical Ark as they used modern knowledge in the test not demonstrated in any Biblical text. Without the internal structure your own quote is nonsense. Hilarious that you are so blind that you still ignore this factor.

It's moot to debate these facts.

Yup it is moot to claim a modern Ark with modern knowledge reflects the Biblical Ark. Yet here you are denying facts when it suits you

 

[Deeje]

Excellent post.. We just can't glorify lack of education and superstition..

I am confused.....is your stated religion a mistake? Perhaps you should change it?
Faith is not "superstition" and "education" is not attendance at a secular place of learning. None of Jesus' disciples were "educated" according to the Jews.

"It was the Christian George Bush who led the charge to invade Iraq in 2002-03, based on lies about weapons of mass destruction, with conservative Christian America cheering him on and plastering their cars with God Bless America bumper stickers. Secular humanists were among the advocates for peace, and were jeered at for it"

This makes me smile....."Christians" are identified by what they do....not by what they claim. No true Christian can use weapons to kill their fellow humans.

Jesus stated: “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you; that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.” (Matthew 5:43-45)

Real Christians can have nothing to do with violence or political wars, but are promoters of peace. As you demonstrate, you can call yourself whatever you like, but it's just empty words unless you follow through on what the words mean.

 

[sooda]

I am confused.....is your stated religion a mistake? Perhaps you should change it?
Faith is not "superstition" and "education" is not attendance at a secular place of learning. None of Jesus' disciples were "educated" according to the Jews.



This makes me smile....."Christians" are identified by what they do....not by what they claim. No true Christian can use weapons to kill their fellow humans.

Jesus stated: “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you; that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.” (Matthew 5:43-45)

Real Christians can have nothing to do with violence or political wars, but are promoters of peace. As you demonstrate, you can call yourself whatever you like, but it's just empty words unless you follow through on what the words mean.

Religious people have often been involved in violence, wars and politics. Jesus taught the Jews how to cope with the Roman occupation.. That's political. He wasn't living in a vacuum.

If you believe in a global flood, that's superstition. If you believe that Joshua made the sun stand still that's superstition.

Christians are NOT required to forego education in my experience.

 

[Deeje]

From your link: "Blood, still saving lives ... but there are risks. Highlights the benefits and risks of red blood cell transfusions"

Blood is still saving lives. Did you read the link before posting it?

If you watched the video instead of just reading the few words of the title that seem to support your view, you would see an opposite message....very opposite in fact. The specialists in the video are sounding a clear warning.....people can ignore it if they wish.

The medical system is as prone to corruption as any other where huge amounts of money are involved. We can all see the greed that is manifest every time we go to the doctor or pharmacy. And when a person has to have surgery, the bill can run into many thousands of dollars. Are you defending the greed? Where do the poor figure in a system like that? Can only the rich afford to get sick?

I've found that making decisions for myself has worked out better than letting others make them for me. Even when I substitute the informed opinion of an expert like an attorney or architect, it's still me making that decision. And if you think about it, it was your decision to submit to the Jehovah's Witnesses rules for your life.

What do you think "submission" entails? If you live in a nation with laws, then all are under 'submission', even in a free country, there are restrictions. No freedom is absolute.

If you live under a dictatorship and the ruler is a despot, you can expect the submission to be harsh and extremely restrictive....but if the dictator is kind and benevolent, then the rules will be a reflection of his personality. This is the kind of ruler Christ is.

What restrictions do you think JW's are under that would cause us to feel oppressed? What makes you think we have no freedom to make our choices?

Our elders are not the masters of our faith. They are the guardians of it and any restrictions that we have are Bible based and are for our benefit.

For example....
Music. We are counseled not to listen to music that has immoral themes or lyrics....no glorification of violence or sex....no spiritistic overtones etc. I don't call that restrictive when the Bible itself counsels about those things. We just have to exercise our conscience. Only God knows what we do in private.

Morality?...the Bible sets the moral standards for Christians. No sex before marriage, no homosexual acts and no disposal of a marriage mate without the grounds that the Bible sets out, is reasonable. Marriage is not a man-made institution. It is God's arrangement and he rightly sets his own standards so we are not at liberty to alter them to suit ourselves. Marriage has been virtually universal in all nations in some form or another. Only in these times is the institution under threat.
Has moral freedom made people happier to follow their own rules? I don't see it.

Involvement in politics? We are also told by Jesus to be "no part of the world" which means not striving after its goals, imitating its lifestyles or its adopting its ways. (1 John 2:15-17) Just as the first Christians had to live in the world without becoming part of it, we too strive to do that. No leader of any nation was elected by us. We therefor share no responsibility for what they do when in office. The blood on their hands is not on ours. (Isaiah 1:15)

Military service? We will not train to kill our fellow humans under any circumstances. Therefore we do not join the military nor do we support its actions in any way. We support peace by not engaging in violence. We support the laws of the land by not committing crimes that mean tax payers have to support us in jail. We pay our taxes honestly and are therefore entitled to the services that governments provide.

Choice of medical treatment? Everyone in a democracy has relative freedom of choice in their medical treatment...unless of course you are poor, because in many nations that means little or no treatment or medicines at all.

Our worldview? This world is falling apart in case you haven't noticed....? Christchurch is now in the headlines for one of the most heinous acts of terrorism ever seen in our hemisphere, in a country not accustomed to such violence and hatred. Nowhere is safe from these radicals with their extremist views and their hatred for what is not in accord with their own worldview.

These ideologies will be stopped by the only way man knows how......to fight violence with violence as we have seen in the Middle east......to be the guy with the bigger weapon. "Peacekeepers" with machine guns are not "peacemakers" as Jesus said we should be. Our peace comes from within; it is based on our hope for the future, so that no matter what happens in the world, we are no cowering in a corner, or afraid of what the future holds. (Luke 21:28; 34-36)

Because we speak with ordinary people from all walks of life every day, rather than being cloistered away in our own little piece of paradise, we know the fear that exists because people tell us that they are afraid of what's coming. We come with a comforting message of hope that does not rely on the guy with the gun to overcome the other guy with a gun or a bomb. Our guy is more powerful that all of the bad guys put together and he will hold the whole world to an accounting for what they have accepted as truth, and what they have done in response to the message that he has had preached in all the world. (Matthew 24:14)

We believe the end is very close and that those who "see" the truth will take their stand with us.

So lets see who is grateful and who is disappointed when that day comes. That is what faith is all about...you either have it or you don't. You either foster it or you kill it off.....that is our choice.

 

[Deeje]

Religious people have often been involved in violence, wars and politics. Jesus taught the Jews how to cope with the Roman occupation.. That's political. He wasn't living in a vacuum.

I don't know where you acquire your information, but not much of it comes from the Bible. Jesus taught his disciples to obey their Roman rulers in everything that did not conflict with the laws of God. If that is "coping with the Roman occupation", then how is what he recommended "political"?

When he was brought before Pilate, he asked Jesus...."Are you the King of the Jews?”. . . "Your own nation and the chief priests handed you over to me. What did you do?”
Jesus answered..."My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.” (John 18:33-36)

Pilate, knowing he was innocent of the charges brought against him, washed his hands of Jesus blood...but the Jews cursed themselves and their children with it. (Matthew 27:25)

Jesus was non-political....neutral, as he instructed us to be. He was not the political Leader that the Jews were expecting. Just the opposite in fact, which is why he was so unpopular. (John 15:18-21)

If you believe in a global flood, that's superstition. If you believe that Joshua made the sun stand still that's superstition.

So the Creator of the Universe has no power over his own creation? He must abide by the laws of science that humans have only formulated in the last 100 years or so? How did humans get to be so clever in such a short period of time? Look how quickly mere humans can kill God.

Christians are NOT required to forego education in my experience.

I am beginning to wonder about your experience.....Jesus did not recommend the higher education so valued by the Jews of his day because he knew that the education they were receiving was corrupted. None of his 12 apostles were educated by Jewish standards. (Acts 4:13)

Matthew 11:25-27
Jesus said....."I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. 26 Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved. 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one fully knows the Son except the Father; neither does anyone fully know the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him."

Don't you just love the word picture here? The 'young children' know things that the 'wise and intellectual' don't have a clue about.
It is the Christ who determines who is worthy to hear the truth about God. The ones who are "wise" in the ways of the world and who think that they are too smart for God, don't really know anything important....they just think they do.

There are many ways to be educated, and in the household where Jesus was raised, spiritual education was more important than any other kind. We feel that way too.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

"Christians" are identified by what they do....not by what they claim.

That's not how I identify Christians, nor the commonest definition of a Christian. A Christian is anyone who believes basic Christian theology such as that man is born into sin, redemption from which is possible only through the grace of God and the blood of Christ, which leads to salvation rather than destruction, that Jesus was sent by God (or is God) to deliver a message which included the idea that salvation was possible only through Him, then was crucified and rose again to rejoin the Father.

If you throw in a Christian Bible, which is usually present in such a person's life, but not absolutely essential, and prayer to Jesus, also optional, but invariably present - you've got yourself a Christian whatever else is true about that person.

And frankly, since I don't quiz people on this, I'll accept that anybody who says he or she is a Christian is one unless I have reason to suspect that he is lying, as with Donald Trump, who is clearly faking it for the votes. He recently said, "two Corinthians" instead of "second Corinthians," That's the criterion of poll takers who tell us how many Christians there are in the world, and they wouldn't necessarily know anything about their behavior.

No true Christian can use weapons to kill their fellow humans.

Your authority to define what is a true Christian is confined to your own opinion. I have no use for the phrase. There are only Christians and non-Christians, no true or false Christians. By my reckoning -and I'll bet according to hundreds of millions if not billions of other people - George W. Bush was and is a Christian whether he declared wars or not.

Of course. to you, the only true Christians are Jehovah's Witnesses, and even then, not all of them. And to many other Christian denominations, the Jehovah's Witnesses are not true Christians. Look at how much more nwe unbelievers are. You're all Christian to us, and we judge Christianity by your collective performance as people relative to non-Christians. Are you kinder, as kind, or less kind on average than people raised under a different ideology? Are you more moral, as moral, or less moral than others according to our standards? Are you more informed, as informed, or less informed? That is, what is the net benefit or burden of Christianity on the world.

Obviously, if you are allowed to sequester the bad examples and exclude them from your definition of Christianity, it makes the religion look like it generates much better people than it actually does.

The medical system is as prone to corruption as any other where huge amounts of money are involved.

How about the Jehovah's Witnesses? Are they as prone to corruption as any other system where huge amounts of money are involved? What is the net worth of that organization?

But of course, as usual, you only see the darkness. The medical profession saves lives, extends life expectancy, and helps preserve or restore function and comfort. Yes, there are big corporations that manufacture pharmaceuticals, insure patients, and own large hospital chains that are as unethical as government oversight allows them to be.

But there are also countless numbers of lab and radiology techs, physical and speech therapists, nurses and nurses aids, physicians and physicians assistants, and others who selflessly devote thousands of hours providing quality health care with no thought of money beyond the need to make a living. They're invisible to you.

We can all see the greed that is manifest every time we go to the doctor or pharmacy.

I trust that you'll be avoiding both given your hostility to these two. Participation is optional.

And when a person has to have surgery, the bill can run into many thousands of dollars.

Then buy insurance or don't have the surgery. For many there is no point-of-service expense, that is, no hospital bill.

Do you have any idea what it takes to provide surgery? There's the hospital expenses, the surgeon and assistant expenses, the anesthesiologist and anesthesiology expense, pre-operative antibiotics if needed, the recovery room and private post-op room expenses, and cost of providing the nursing and custodial care. There will usually be a pathology report. There is often the cost of a prosthesis like an artificial hip or knee or a pacemaker.

The hospital has to have a back-up ICU and emergency services available including a fully supplied crash carts with medications that expire and need to be refreshed, and defibrillators. Ventilators and endotracheal tubes are used in surgery. The hospital has a blood bank to maintain if blood is needed. There's a kitchen that feeds patients, and laundry expenses. And a morgue. And people to transcribe the dictated records.

Are you defending the greed?

No. I'm objecting to your characterization of a very helpful collection of people, products, and services as nothing but a greedy, corrupt enterprise that exists only to deceive and steal.

Now that I think of it, why couldn't the same be said about the Jehovah's Witnesses? It looks like a pretty big business that offers nothing of value, just deception for those willing to buy into its claims and commands.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

What do you think "submission" entails? If you live in a nation with laws, then all are under 'submission', even in a free country, there are restrictions. No freedom is absolute.

I submit to local law willingly as part of a social contract I agreed to enter. The submission that the Bible demands is not optional. Do it or burn.

If I were a woman, I would never submit to a husband as the Bible commands (or burn). I willingly submit to my wife now, and she to me, in a cooperative effort agreed to mutually and beneficial to us both. That's not the same as biblical submission. I never agreed to those terms.

And I assume that you are expected to be submissive to your elders as well. I'm pretty sure that they have near absolute rule over your life. If they ordered you to sell your vehicle and not replace it, I suspect that you would. I just read the account of a former Jehovah's Witness whose parents were also Jehovah's Witnesses, and who both worked. The wife, who worked nights, was missing meetings because of the job and was ordered to give it up.

If you live under a dictatorship and the ruler is a despot, you can expect the submission to be harsh and extremely restrictive

Yes, that is akin to biblical submission. Disobey, and be punished excessively. You are not free to refuse or walk away as you are as a married citizen willing submitting to one's spouse and the law.

Every now and again you demonstrate that you realize that your claims about man making no progress and unable to self-rule are false. You understand that both your ancestors and mine (and everybody else's) lived under such conditions, bowing to tribal chieftains, kings, czars, and emperors, but now, many of us live in much better worlds

What restrictions do you think JW's are under that would cause us to feel oppressed?

I don't recall saying that I thought you feel oppressed. I believe that you are severely restricted, but willingly. You agreed to those terms.

Our elders are not the masters of our faith. They are the guardians of it and any restrictions that we have are Bible based and are for our benefit.

I don't find that credible. Others use the same Bible and come to different conclusions about what it says. That's a human process, and reflects the collective opinion of those elders. If they are tender-hearted, the religion they forge will reflect that. If they are austere and authoritarian, the religion will reflect that.

we know the fear that exists because people tell us that they are afraid of what's coming.

You're fueling that fire, just as the American president does regarding the fears that many - probably most - conservative Americans have regarding the imminent and threatening invasion of hordes of diseased criminals across the southern border, or invading numbers of Muslims intent on imposing sharia law on them. It's a time-honored technique for manipulating and exploiting people.


I am told, and perhaps you can confirm, that the make-up of a typical congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses includes fewer people with advanced degrees or good incomes than say the average Catholic or Methodist congregation. These are the most vulnerable and suggestible people.

The Jehovah's Witness' message appeals to people of low-information and low-socioeconomic status, the ones who in the States (and I suspect everywhere else) live uncertain lives with low-paying jobs, little savings, and accumulating debt - people living on the brink, and with no apparent way out. This is who is most receptive to your message of hope because they have already found hopelessness before you came knocking on their doors, a hopelessness that the Jehovah's Witness message exploits.

That is what faith is all about...you either have it or you don't. You either foster it or you kill it off.....that is our choice.

Yes, it is. Once I understood that faith was a flawed means of determining what is true about the world, I began re-examining my belief set to ensure that I had sound reasons based in the application of reason to evidence for believing what I did - that I wasn't harboring ideas that had crept in unexamined.

How can faith possibly be a path to truth when either of two mutually exclusive ideas can be believed by faith, when at least one is wrong. By faith, Aristotle believed that heavier bodies fall faster. One could also believe the opposite by faith.

But when experiment was added to the mix centuries later, it was demonstrated that only one of these two ideas was correct. One is still free to believe either by faith, but the reason and evidence based thinker can only believe what is demonstrated by consulting nature for answers about what is a correct belief and what is not.

Look how quickly mere humans can kill God.

Look at how quickly people invent gods and mythologies.

How could people kill an actual god? Gods die when their last adherents die, because such gods only ever existed in the imaginations of such people in the first place. Have you ever seen a list of these gods? This list is incomplete, and includes a few gods still worshiped somewhere. The question isn't which among so many made-up gods is not made up, but if there is one that isn't, and if so, how does one identify which one it is :

Spoiler: forgotten gods

Agdistis or Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Amaterasu, An, Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atlas, Baal, Ba Xian, Bacchus, Balder, Bast, Bellona, Bergelmir, Bes, Bixia Yuanjin, Bragi, Brahma, Brigit, Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen, Cernunnos, Chac, Chalchiuhtlicue, Charun, Cheng-huang, Cybele, Dagon, Damkina (Dumkina), Davlin, Dawn, Demeter, Diana, Di Cang, Dionysus, Ea, El, Enki, Enlil, Eos, Epona, Ereskigal, Farbauti, Fenrir, Forseti, Freya, Freyr, Frigg, Gaia, Ganesha, Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si, Hades, Hanuman, Hathor, Helios, Heng-o (Chang-o), Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi, Hoori, Horus, Hotei, Huitzilopochtli, Hsi-Wang-Mu, Hygeia, Inanna, Inti, Ishtar, Isis, Ixtab, Izanaki, Izanami, Jehovah, Jesus, Juno, Jupiter, Juturna, Kagutsuchi, Kartikeya, Khepri, Ki, Kingu, Kinich Ahau, Kishar, Krishna, Kukulcan, Lakshmi, Liza, Loki, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, Marduk, Mars, Medb, Mercury, Mimir, Minerva, Mithras, Morrigan, Mot, Mummu, Nammu, Nanna, Nanna (Norse), Nanse, Neith, Nemesis, Nephthys, Neptune, Nergal, Ninazu, Ninhurzag, Nintu, Ninurta, Njord, Nut, Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, Orgelmir, Osiris, Ostara, Pan, Parvati, Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus Apollo, Pilumnus, Poseidon, Quetzalcoatl, Rama, Re, Rhea, Sabazius, Sarasvati, Selene, Seshat, Seti (Set), Shamash, Shapsu, Shen Yi, Shiva, Shu, Si-Wang-Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sol, Surya, Susanoh, Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca, Thanatos, Thor, Tiamat, Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Utu, Uzume, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu, Volturnus, Vulcan, Xipe, Xi Wang-mu, Xochipilli, Xochiquetzal, Yam, Yarikh, Ymir ,Yu-huang, Yum Kimil, Zeus, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Kahless, Invisible Pink Unicorn, Nergal, Obatala, Aigle, Aglauros, Egle, Heget, Yun Dun, Wainamoinen, Varpulis, Chloris, Bilfrost, Big Head, Nokomis, Charun, Cotys, Ull, Shen Nong, Angak' Chin Mana, Atropos, Nefertum, Nocoma, Nijole, Almudj, Ken, Skylla, Cauac, Zemyna, Koko, Xi Wangmu, Tiwaz, Chac Xib Chac, Coltus, Huang Gun, Djanggawul, Skadi, Erythia, Camenae, Hurrican, Nik, Ereshkegal, Thiassi, Kothar, Tamendonare, Madderakka, Arsnuphis, Anatiwa, Igigi, Turan, Seti, Dian Cecht, Heqet, Thalassa, Feng Shui, Philammon, Anet, Chu Jung, Anapel, Hemere, Hukere, God G, Da Yu, Styx, God E, Dreamtime, Kybele, Dijun, Muses, BellBirdBrothers, Endovelicus, Li Ba Bai, Atai, Xiuhtecuhtli, Estasanatlehi, Amalthea, Silvanus, Gucup Cakix, Achelois, Li Er, Neit, Arnakuagsak, Ndo'yet, Okypete, Buku, Untunktahe, Awitelin Tsta, Mwambu, Po, Laertes, Hapakhered, Mamaragan, Huixtocihuatl, Chu Pa Chieh, Ruhanga, Atahensic, Kan Ajana, Yan Luo Wang, Mephitis, Liu Hai, Calliope, Sinaa, Mehen, Ceucy, Gurumukas, T'ao T'ieh, Unktehi, Dylan, Geirskokul, Sandy, Ashtoreth, Kwatee, Ch'uang K'ung, Palee, Huwawa, Onuris, Rig, Baldur, Latinus, Nyikang, Coqui Huani, Harakan, Kanassa, Nun, Orans, Kamonou, Echidna, Hemera, Mamaragan, Han Hsien Tzu, Fotla, Issitoq, Viracocha, Sui Ren, Itzamna, Bon Dieu, Piquete Zina, Basuki, Bellifluficus, Spider Woman, Amun Ra, Illuyankas, Radgrid, Atum, Kek, Jesus, Xuan Zang, Wuluwait, Cronus, Borr, Autrimpas, Amesha Spentas, Luk Xing, Month, Porewit, Ga Gaah, Tartaros, Guede, Mani, Ephialtes, Yu Shun, Charites, Allowat Sakima, Macuilcozcacuahtli, Tethys, Ix Chup, Things, Dongo, Metis, Sphinx, Jotunheim, Oreades, Louhi, Ah Tzul, Wandjina, Amn, Zephyros, Chulyen, Mamitu, Tlahuixcalpantec, Moloch, Auster, Suttung

 

[ManSinha]

Umm -

Krishna and Vishnu are still being worshipped across the planet and Kahless is alive and well in the Star Trek convention world

 

[sooda]

Excellent post.. We just can't glorify lack of education and superstition..

"It was the Christian George Bush who led the charge to invade Iraq in 2002-03, based on lies about weapons of mass destruction, with conservative Christian America cheering him on and plastering their cars with God Bless America bumper stickers. Secular humanists were among the advocates for peace, and were jeered at for it"

Dubya told the president of France he was fighting Gog and Magog. LOL They thought he was nutz.. Dubya just had a veneer of Bible study.. He really didn't know any better.

 

[Shad]

Dubya told the president of France he was fighting Gog and Magog. LOL They thought he was nutz.. Dubya just had a veneer of Bible study.. He really didn't know any better.

Bush was planning a game of Warhammer

 

[TransmutingSoul]

.."Christians" are identified by what they do....not by what they claim.

That's not how I identify Christians, nor the commonest definition of a Christian. A Christian is anyone who believes basic Christian theology

The bible supports Deeje's view.

To difine a Christain by man made doctrine is what the Bible warns against.

Romans 12:9-21

Regards Tony

 

[ManSinha]

The bible supports Deeje's view.

To difine a Christain by man made doctrine is what the Bible warns against.

Romans 12:9-21

Regards Tony

There is nothing in that quote about "defining a Christian"

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is nothing in that quote about "defining a Christian"

A Christain is one who believes that Jesus is the Christ.

Thus to define who beleives in Christ, is by living as Christ lived, by the virtues, that is the mark of a true Christain.

No where is it found that Doctrine defines a Christain.

Regards Tony