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who created "cancer"?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by mainliner, Nov 18, 2014.

  1. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
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    You seem stuck on assigning blame...
    Why is that?
     
  2. Valjean

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    The genome -- the program that builds and maintains an organism -- is long and complex. It's constantly being mechanically copied so errors occur all the time.
    Parts of the code tell cells when to grow, when to stop growing, when to die, when to reproduce, when to stop reproducing, &c.

    If a copy error occurs in a line of code that tells a cell to stop reproducing, that cell becomes a cancer -- a perpetually reproducing cell.


    A Virus is a line of genetic code in a little protective capsule, which is jettisoned when the code enters a cell. Essentially, that line of code is the instruction: Copy Me! Repeat.

    Code is code. The cell's 'printer' doesn't know the code is foreign. It just goes about merrily printing endless copies of the Copy Me program till the cell just falls apart and all the copies float off to infect other cells.


    A Disease isn't a specific thing. It can be a mechanical problem, a chemical problem, a programming problem or, frequently, a problem caused by actual living things that have invaded the body.
     
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  3. Halcyon

    Halcyon Lord of the Badgers

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    Cancer is just a by-product of how our bodies grow and repair themselves. In a way multi-cellular organisms are just a controlled form of cancer, all our cells are designed to replicate themselves ad infinitum. It's only through chemical mechanisms that this growth is kept in check, when a certain gene mutates cells don't know when to stop dividing, which is the simplest (usually non-malignant) form of cancer. Often cells pick up multiple mutations which cause them to do other things though, like metastasize.

    Viruses, like prion proteins, are parts of cells that have somehow separated themselves and taken on a very different role, one of a parasitic replication machine.

    "Germs", as in bacteria, are just other organisms that happen to find our bodies suitable environments to live in. Some bacteria cause us damage by living within us, some benefit us. And in one special case adapted to live inside our very cells, to such a degree they're now thought of as organelles rather than separate organisms in their own right (mitochondria).

    As for who created them, we did, just by being alive.
     
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    I will have two lungs but wasn't the meaning of my post. Seems you people cant read.
     
  5. mainliner

    mainliner no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!

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  6. mainliner

    mainliner no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!

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    Looks like god made an error then.
     
  7. mainliner

    mainliner no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!

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    no ....its not in my nature :)
     
  8. Peaceful World 33.3

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    My younger brother passed 10/05/14 of a rare strain of throat cancer mostly found in men. In my brother's case it was his years of self medicating his mental/social/environmental issues that allowed the cancer to come alive. He smoked, drank and ate too much unhealthy food. His sleep was not adequate for his lifestyle, he was a drummer in Southern Florida for 30 years. I am not concerned with the creation, rather the prevention.
     
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  9. Valjean

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    Very different things, though. Viruses are snippets of DNA/RNA, coding for self-replication, that hijack a cell's replication machinery.
    "Parts of cells" might be a bit misleading. Could be either mutated endogenous DNA or introduced, foreign DNA/RNA (viruses).

    Prions are misfolded proteins that act as templates, causing adjacent proteins to refold into their dysfunctional patterns, like the sodium acetate molecules in hand warmers: (skip to 1:45).
    No nucleic acid involved
     
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  10. Flankerl

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    I miss the facepalm smiley so much.
     
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  11. mainliner

    mainliner no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!

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    cool
     
  12. mainliner

    mainliner no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!

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  13. mainliner

    mainliner no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!

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    why ?
     
  14. Flankerl

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    I think i got a brain tumour just by reading this thread.
     
  15. mainliner

    mainliner no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!

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    thanks for you input and thoughts...if you don't like it ......dont read it hunny...lol
     
  16. R34L1TY

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    Wait, I think I know this one! -- Pick me! -- Pick me!!

    It was created through sin!! :D
     
  17. roger1440

    roger1440 I do stuff

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    We gotta die of something. Would you rather get hit by a truck?
     
  18. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    How dare you say that about me mum! The woman was a saint, God rest her soul!
     
  19. psychoslice

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    But smokers get cancer at a higher rate, its a known fact, When cells die its called apoptosis, cells suppose to die, when they don't they can cause cancer, there are about 80 billion cells in our body, so of course there is a chance of something going wrong, its nothing to do with god or the devil or any superstitious beliefs.
     
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  20. psychoslice

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    So are you saying that no one has ever had cancer because of smoking, or any other harmful habits ?.
     
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