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Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by calm, Oct 17, 2019.

  1. calm

    calm 12/9/2019

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    (this question is only addressed to Christians, Muslims and Jews)

    If I asked you who you are and where you come from, could you answer me Biblically whether you are a Hamite, a Semite or a Japhetite? And do you also know from which tribe of the respective father you come?

    Personally I am sure after a long research that I am a Semite, but from which tribe I come from I cannot say exactly, I assume that I am a child of Ismael or maybe a child of Esau.
     
  2. Rival

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    Ishmaelites are Arabs.

    You are whatever your ethnicity is.

    But if you must, if you have European roots, Japeth.
     
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    In Genesis long after Noah's children have had their children all of the people become one and unite to build a tower at Babel. They are only divided then by language, not by anything else.

    Genesis 11 -- story of the Tower of Babel

    Exodus 34:7 Iniquity is an error which affects generations of children but only up to four. Since the time of Noah there have been at least a hundred, so there is no 'Hammite' iniquity anymore. You cannot be better or worse based upon your parent.

    Deuteronomy 26:16 Fathers and children should not be put to death for each other's wrongs.

    Its very simple if we take these laws as literal to understand that it makes no sense to try to determine whether you are a descendant of Shem or of Ham. The bloodlines are mixed, there is no difference.
     
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    I must politely disagree. Consider how close our DNA is to that of a gorilla. We are 98 percent the same species. The differences between a descendant of Ishmael and the descendant of Alexander the Great or Ghengis Khan are relatively so small that you are really not even talking about separate bloodlines. There is just one bloodline when it comes to humans. There simply isn't enough of a difference to differentiate.
     
  5. David1967

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    None of the above. I opted out.:cool:
     
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  6. calm

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    How do you want know that I'm not an Arab?
     
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    I don't, I was just making a statement.
     
  8. shunyadragon

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    Does this exclude Baha'is.
     
  9. calm

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    no.
     
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    I belong to the artist tribe. No doubt about it.
     
  11. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    We only need to go back 1,000-2,000 years to find a common ancestor for any two people on the planet. Everyone is a cousin. Everyone is from every "tribe."
     
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    Source?
     
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  14. Jayhawker Soule

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    Let's assume that some 2000 years ago person-A1 belongs to group-A along with hundreds of thousands of other folks. He marries his neighbor, person-A2. And, of course, there were thousands upon thousands of other such couples in the group.

    Thousands of miles away, person-B1 belongs to group-B along with hundreds of thousands of other folks. He marries his neighbor, person-B2. And, as above, there were thousands upon thousands of other such couples in the group.

    Now meet today's John-1 and Jane-2. Please explain to me the necessary common ancestor,
     
  15. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    I'll reuse someone else's explanation:

    A mathematical, but non-genealogical study by mathematicians Joseph T. Chang, Douglas Rohde and Steve Olson calculated that the MRCA [most recebt common ancestor] lived remarkably recently, possibly as recently as 300 BCE. This model took into account that people do not truly mate randomly, but that, particularly in the past, people almost always mated with people who lived nearby, and usually with people who lived in their own town or village. It would have been especially rare to mate with somebody who lived in another country. However, Chang et al found that a rare person who mates with a person far away will in time connect the worldwide family tree, and that no population is truly completely isolated.

    Most recent common ancestor - Wikipedia

    The most recent common ancestor for any two given people is necessarily no farther back than the most recent common ancestor for all living humans.

    For certain pairs of people, the most recent common ancestor is much more recent than 300 BCE. For instance, virtually every living person of British ancestry is famously descended from King John Lackland (13th century), and in a huge swath of Eurasia from Eastern Europe to China, most people are descended from Genghis Khan (also 13th century).
     
  16. Jayhawker Soule

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    First and foremost, thanks for the link. Let me just note that ...


    is not quite the same as ...


    Let me also add that the sentence immediately preceding the paragraph you quoted is:


    Thanks again.
     
  17. j1i

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    hello my brother :)
    The British Queen of Arab origin

    Is the Queen related to Prophet Muhammad? | Daily Mail Online

    It is true that the majority Ishmaelites are Arab, but with the cultural exchange we are mixed
    My answer
    I live in a place where there is a cultural exchange A vibrant, mixed and mid-world geographical area
    My grandfather tells me that his grandfather lived with the Jewish travelers from the UAE and Oman and they were vacationing on Saturday, we were sharing united by the conditions of life
    They were help and work together
    In Ras Al Khaimah our city is there empty land on the beach
    It was allegedly a private cemetery for Jews,
    Since they have a special cemetery historically, this is proof that our society was peaceful,
    Peaceful coexistence with others accepts the testimony of the elderly :)
     
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