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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Hadar Judah, Sep 22, 2018.

  1. Hadar Judah

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    The bible says that the blessings in Deuteronomy 28 would come upon the Israelites if they obeyed God and his laws/commandments. Then the second half of Deuteronomy 28 lists curses that would come upon the Israelites if they disobeyed — and regarding the curses, it says that they would be upon the Israelites and upon their seed for ever, as a sign.

    So where are you getting “conditional” from, and what about those scriptures make you feel that any of it is “conditional”?

    The only sense that any of that is conditional in is the sense that there were conditions to the covenant — either the Israelites obey, and blessings come — or they disobey, and they are cursed — for ever (until the second coming).

    And according to the bible, the Israelites disobeyed and were led away as captives into all nations to serve their enemies in unknown lands (Luke 21:24).
     
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    Is Deuteronomy 29:14-15 any help?
     
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    That verse is referring to Israelites in general — whether they were present during that time or not.

    The laws of the covenant were only given to the Israelites.

    “These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea, between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.” [Deuteronomy 1:1]

    “For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
    Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;” [Romans 9:3-4]

    Like I said earlier — millions upon millions of people in the world disobey God’s laws everyday and have done so since biblical times, but the curses for disobeying God only fell upon one nation of people — negroes.

    Because negroes are the descendants of the biblical Israelites.
     
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    Yes I didn't mean to imply it was written for non-Jews, but isn't it about the blessing or cursing condition being applied across time and space?

    I am not saying European Jews were wicked, but if God is in charge we have to conclude that he allowed harm to come upon Negroes and European Jews in World War 2 and many other Jews.
     
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    “Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
    And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and UPON THY SEED FOR EVER.” [Deuteronomy 28:45-46]

    Yes God allowed harm to come upon negroes and it is nobody’s fault but the ancestors of the negroes for disobeying God’s laws. However, european jews are not Israelites — they are merely the descendants of people who converted to “judaism” during the early centuries. And on top of that, the holocaust is mentioned nowhere in bible prophecy, but literally everything that negroes have been through is listed word for word in the prophetic curses.
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    The Curses That Identify Hebrew Israelites

    A HEBREW ISRAELITE IS A DESCENDANT OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB AND ARE ALSO THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF YAHWEH, DEFINED BY THE BIBLICAL PROPHECY !!!
    GENESIS Chapter 49

    THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HAVE BEEN CURSED AND ONE OF THE CURSES WAS LOSS OF IDENTITY - JEREMIAH 17:4, SO HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO A HEBREW IS?


    DEUT 28: 46 And they(curses) shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

    PROPHETIC CURSES

    According to Jeremiah 17:4 the children of Israel would be discontinued from their heritage (language, culture, possessions etc…), which would leave room for the question, “Since the children of Israel were discontinued from their heritage, how would they know who they are; and how do we know they exist?”

    According to the Hebrew Scriptures the children of Israel are cursed by the sins of their fathers (Matthew 27:24-25) and scattered among all nations until the fullness of the Gentiles (None Israelites) comes (see Romans 11:25, Luke 21:24).

    Deuteronomy 28:46 - And they (the curses) shall be upon thee for a sign and a wonder and upon thy seed (children) forever.

    This shows us that these curses written in the Scriptures would identify who the children of Israel are because there would be no other way to identify them. Those who claim to be Jews (Ashkenazim) fail, in everyway, to fit the criteria but who does? The so-called Negro, who is a descendant of the slave trade, and the so-called Hispanics and Indians who are the original founders of the New World, fit the criteria more than any other people.

    Deut 28:16 Cursed shall you be in the city any cursed shall you be in the field.
    (The so-called negro was cursed, both in the city and the field, because in the field he was a slave and after, he was placed in the impoverished slums or the city. Another example of this parable would be, when the so-called negro moves into the rural area (field), he is looked at as an Uncle Tom and a house negro by other “blacks” who may have grown up with him, because of his success. “Whites”, who occupied the neighborhood before him, have the general attitude that he doesn’t belong there because of his color, which also makes him more subject to harassment by the police. When he is in the poverty stricken ghetto (city), he is respected by others in the same position, but forced to live in a low state and a high crime area.

    Leviticus 26:17 And I will set my face against you, and you shall be slain before your enemies: they who hate you shall reign over you; and you shall flee when none pursues you.

    Dark skin is viewed as inferior or unbecoming all over the world; and prejudice against so-called Negroes is common all over the world. Even blacks in Israel today are referred to as “Cushim” meaning ******. This verse explains that the Israelite would be unable to escape prejudice and discrimination.

    Jeremiah 24:9 And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the Earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.

    Deut 28:37 And you shall become an astonishment and a byword among all nations where the Lord shall lead you

    Deut 28:67 In the morning, you shall say, would Elohim it were evening! And at evening you shall say, Would Elohim it were morning! for the fear of your heart wherewith you shall fear, and for the sight of your eyes which you shall see.

    This illustrates a similar point; the children of Israel would face a lose-lose situation where satisfaction in their standard of living was concerned.

    Rudolph R Windsor shed some light on this verse; in his book "The Valley of the Dry Bones" he states…

    "…….Fear, death, and destruction remained with the black from the moment the slavers took him aboard the slave ships until the present day. Throughout the summer and fall of 1919, more than twenty race riots erupted in the United States, like swarms of locusts, and blood flowed like water in the streets of American cities.
    The worse race riot engulfed the city of Chicago, where whites killed a lonely black boy because he chose to go to a white beach……

    ……..The riot ensued for thirteen days, left 38 people dead and 537 injured, and about one thousand black families were made homeless before the National Guard restored order……….."

    "The Valley of the Dry Bones" - Rudolph R Windsor

    Deut 28:22 Yahweh shall smite you with a consumption, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue you until you perish…..

    Deut 28:27 And Yahweh will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emrods, and with the scab, and with the itch wherein those cannot be healed.

    ………..The botch of Egypt was a tumor or a boil. The botch was one of the ten plagues that Yahweh brought upon the Egyptians by the hand of Moses (Exodus 9:9). Emrods are another name for boils; scabs are dried up sores that protrude from the skin; the itch is a contagious eruption of the skin. The disease that they feared the most on the ships was smallpox, because the doctors had no way of curing it until the end of the eighteenth century. If one man had it, he could infect a whole ship, unless he was thrown overboard the first time the scab appeared. Mr. Mannix tells us that Captain Wilson of the "Briton" lost more than half of his cargo of 375 slaves by not listening to his surgeon's advice regarding the signs of smallpox. The captain did not want to part with this good slave, and within a short time many of the other slaves were infected with the disease. Henry Ellison said, “I have seen the platform one continued scab. We hauled up eight or ten slaves dead of the morning. Their flesh and skin peeled off their wrists when taken hold of being entirely mortified.” - The Valley of the Dry Bones - Rudolph R Windsor

    This verse also put a special emphasis on incurable diseases…..

    Deut 28:61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the Book of this Torah (Law), them will Yahweh bring upon you, until you be destroyed.

    According to (CDC) black women account for 49% of all new H.I.V. cases.
    The rate of HIV among black women is 20 times that of the white woman.
    We are the only people afflicted by Sickle cell and many other “black diseases”.

    The top 10 killers of the so-called black man:

    • Cardio Vascular disease,

    • We lead in every cancer,

    • Multiple sclerosis,

    • Diabetes,

    • Homicide,

    • Septicemia,

    • HIV,

    • Chronic lower respiratory disease,

    • Nephritis,

    • Nephritic syndrome,

    • Approx 40% of all abortions.
    Deut 28:26 And your carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the Earth, and no man shall fray them away.
    (This happened to the slaves, when they were hung on trees and the birds would pick at their scalps, because the hung bodies were left like manikins on display.)

    Deut 28:28 Yahweh shall smite you with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart (insanity)

    "……..many slaves suffered insanity, madness and hysteria when they saw the slave masters beat, rape, kill and sell their loved ones.
    Slavery was so harsh and cruel in America that many slaves committed suicide and infanticide……." - "The Valley of Dry Bones" - Rudolph R Windsor

    Deut 28:29 And you shall grope at noonday, as the blind gropes in darkness, and you shall not prosper in your ways: and you shall be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save you.

    The word grope literally means to fumble around or to feel around and, spiritually, the so-called black man (descendants of slaves) has done more “groping” in search of a racial and religious identity than any other race. The Negro has gone from Muslim to Moorish, Christian to Catholic, Rastafarian to Afro centric Egyptology, Crip to Blood, and so on. This confusion came about because the so-called Negro has been alienated from his original culture, so he seeks to identify with one that will provide a sense of belonging. Every nationality has their own ancient religion; the Chinese are Buddhist, the Arabs are Muslim, the Europeans are Roman Catholic (Modern day Pagan Christianity), but what is the Negro? He is oppressed and spoiled evermore because the other races give him the mental bars of religion to gain profit and economic growth of its followers, especially blacks.

    Blacks are the most divided people where religion is concerned and other races take advantage of it. Religion has made so-called Blacks unable to unify, because of their lack of racial identity, and other races use this division as a means to conquer and oppress them.

    Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.

    Deut 28:30 You shall betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: you shall build a house, and you shall not dwell therein: you shall plant a vineyard, and shall not gather the grapes thereof

    This was common during the times of slavery; when the slave would have a wife and the master would rape the women. Nearly the entire Western Hemisphere was built off slave labor yet the descendants of the slaves have absolutely nothing to show for it, because it was all written in the curse.
     
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    Deut 28:33 The fruit of your land, and all your labours, shall a nation which you know not eat up; and you shall be only oppressed and crushed always.

    It even exists in this current day; where sports, entertainment, and inventions are things that the so-called Negro dominates where labor is concerned, but is the smallest beneficiary and least credited. The black man doesn’t even own the businesses in his own community though he is the major consumer of products sold by other races, which are foreign to them.

    Deut 28:31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine *** shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.

    On point 3 of the Black Panthers 10 point program it states:
    "We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules." (which until this day we have not received)


    In other words Yahweh is basically saying there would be no compensation for the atrocities committed against them during and after slavery (which there wasn’t)

    Deut 28:32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.

    Deut 28:41 You shall beget sons and daughters, but you shall not enjoy them for they shall go into captivity.

    The slaves’ children were stripped away from their parents and their entire heritage; given to the hands of their enemies and their parents we powerless to stop them. This is taking place even today in our judicial system with more than 80% minorities behind bars.

    In America there are about 6 times more blacks incarcerated than whites though blacks only make up 12.8% of the population. Whites make roughly 80%

    Isaiah 42:22, Zechariah 11:4-5,

    Deut 28:36 Yahweh shall bring you and your king which you shall set over you, unto a nation which neither you nor your fathers have known; and there shall you serve other gods, wood and stone.

    This happened during the trans-Atlantic slave trade. The so-called Negro was alienated from his history, his GOD and his culture, and scattered into every nation on the planet earth as a slave. As a result of the alienation from their GOD they have served every god in existence in search of an identity, just as it was written. Wood, being the wooden cross of “Christianity”, and the stone, being the Kabba stone of Islam in Mecca to which the Muslims bow before.

    Deut 28:43 The stranger that is within you shall get up above you very high and you shall come down very low.

    This is clear to see in the Black and Hispanic neighborhoods where Arabs own the corner stores and gas stations, Asians and Europeans (non Israeli) own the local businesses, and Jewish people own the large corporate businesses in the Black neighborhood. The so-called Negro has been in America longer than any other minority except the so-called Indians, who are the true founders or this land, yet he is in the lowest state of all, not because of his incapability to learn and succeed, as few have despite the adversities, but because of this curse which has come upon him by Yahweh.

    Deut 28:44 He shall lend to you, and you shall not lend to him: he shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.

    The Gentiles control the banks, Federal Reserve, and nearly all the lending institutions which contribute heavily to the poverty of the Blacks and Hispanics in the systematic slavery created to keep the rich wealthy and the poor impoverished. The people who claim to be Jews today own the Banks and the Media so this (curse) obviously couldn't be referring to them.

    Deut 28:48 Therefore shall you serve your enemies which Yahweh shall send against you, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon your neck, until he have destroyed you.

    Deut 28:49 Yahweh shall bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flies; a nation whose tongue you shall not understand.

    The fact that the slaves couldn’t understand the tongue of masters is an important detail because the so-called Negro and Hispanics in the Western Hemisphere all speak the languages of their conquerors, whether a broken form or in another dialect, but have forgotten their own native language. During the slave trade, the Gentiles, would come from nations all over the globe to buy and sell Negroes.

    Deut 28:64 And the Lord shall scatter you among all people, from one end of the Earth, even unto the other; and there you shall serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known, even wood and stone.

    Deut 28:68 And the Lord shall bring you into Egypt again with ships, by the way wherof I spoke unto you, You shall see it no more again: and there you shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

    Finally the people calling themselves Jews have never been sold on slave ships ever in history. But the so-called Negro has experienced all the curses spoken of in the Scripture concerning the children of Israel, but has not been given recognition for it.

    Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Master was pierced on the tree.

    Egypt, in the context of this verse, is probably not referring to the Americas; but illustrates and strengthens the fact that the Egypt Yahweh was going to take the children of Israel to on ships, was another house of bondage. This only makes sense because never in recorded history did the children of Israel return to Egypt in bondage with ships.

    For more information concerning the curses read Lev 26, Deut 28, Isaiah 1-3.
     
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    There is nothing mistaken. There is howerver a lack of knowledge on your part regarding the fullness of truth regarding the Jewish people and their covenants with the LORD. Instead of asking questions why not post your arguments using your knowledge and then those who want to reply can bring their knowledge which has been past down from generation to generation since Moses. You do know that the Jews learned their scripture off by heart don't you?
     
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    I explained literally all of that.

    Your logic is backwards. You seem to think that the khazars created “judaism” when all they did was simply convert in the early centuries. The king of the khazarian empire forced his entire empire to convert to judaism around 7-8 AD. They are a mixture of eastern european + southwest asian.
     
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    Let's be serious now. Show me references to the Khazar in the Torah/Old Testament. The Jews are the descendants of Israel/Jacob born of the 12 tribes which are Jacob/Israels sons.
    Your argument carries no water it is what is 'termed' a useless argument to all intents and purposes when it comes to being born a Jew. Come back when you have an argument.
     
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    -JPS Tanakh 1917
    and I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these lands; and by thy seed shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves;

    You have no argument and nothing noted. Abraham, circumcised his slaves.JPS Tanakh 1917
    And all the men of his house, those born in the house, and those bought with money of a foreigner, were circumcised with him.

    The people included in Abrahams covenant included those who were not his relatives or descendants but his slaves too.

    As I said you do not have an argument you simply assume and have nothing to use to support your argument.
     
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    Rubbish would be a better word in that it has no bearing or weight in regarding being a Jew.
     
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    “The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

    A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.”
     
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    OK. I understand you are very knowledgeable about the Torah. I understand that you are a black Jew and you are advocating for black Jews and I don't have a problem with this either, but European Jews facing the WW II holocaust I think should be included in your formula.
     
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    Please elucidate.
     
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    I don't understand this thread. I am likely soon to convert to the LDS Church again after 10 years of basically being Raelian.
     
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    Could you maybe put the commas in the right places? I feel like a crap-head.
     
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    Well I am 134 IQ but reading is my low point. I can't read every thread through and I'm not going to read this one through either.
     
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    This is what the whole point of the thread is:

    “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” [Revelation 2:9]

    The european jews are impostors who took the holy land by force in 1947, when they are not even the descendants of the biblical Israelites. They are descendants of european converts who are pretending to he the people of the bible so that they can reap the benifits of the heritage that they have stolen. But the world has been waking up, pretty soon they will be fully exposed and everybody will know the truth.
     
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    Anyways I'm reading the whole thread now, but I still think it's just conditionals. If the Jews were completely wicked they would have been scattered in slavery to all nations, and if they were completely righteous it wouldn't have happened at all. It also applies to individuals, whether they get personally blessed or cursed. My two cents.
     
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    The real jews were led captive into all nations... that’s what I have been trying to tell you.

    Read the curses of Deuteronomy 28:15-68. Only negroes have been affected by them word for word. The “jews” claiming to be jews in Israel have never been affected by any of the curses because they are not the real jews.
     

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