Who are the Proud Boys? Start here.

[ecco]

Here is what the link actually says...

Are you calling me a liar? Really?

So. Where is all this 'extra- "more from their website' information coming from?

Or is this just pulled from ones ***?

Yeah. It sure smells like it was pulled from one's stinkhole. That stinkhole is the article linked to on the bottom of the first page of your Proud Boys own website. Didn't you bother to look at the whole site? Did you just skim the first page where they played down who/what they are? That's really shallow. Is that indicative of the amount of research you do before you make decisions on who to fawn about?


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I just read the Next article. I took the time to see what they really believed.

Here is more from that article since you can't do any research on your own...

Lobotomise the Left
Unicorn fashion, multiple genders, the Harry Potter nation—something has to be done, contends Based Odin!

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It’s no secret that the far-left are mentally deranged zombies processing their petty existences through a cluster**** hive-mind. We’ve seen evidence of this through their unabashed normalisation of gender fluidity, and the way they froth at the mouths during protests like horny hounds wanting to cannibalise their own kind. Now we have new evidence to suggest the further degradation of the left wing mentality, something altogether insidious and sly: the rising trend of destroying historical monuments.​

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So you don't support protesters? Because the Proud Boys seem like peaceful protesters to me, until militant left-wing radicals show up on the scene and start bullying them.

Thank you, this post made me laugh.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'll watch it. It's not like I'm clamoring to join them anytime soon.

You and Cooky should watch it before you try to defend them anymore. At least know what you're blindly defending.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You and Cooky should watch it before you try to defend them anymore. At least know what you're blindly defending.

Its a fair request.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Are you calling me a liar? Really?




Yeah. It sure smells like it was pulled from one's stinkhole. That stinkhole is the article linked to on the bottom of the first page of your Proud Boys own website. Didn't you bother to look at the whole site? Did you just skim the first page where they played down who/what they are? That's really shallow. Is that indicative of the amount of research you do before you make decisions on who to fawn about?


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• previous article WE ARE NOT ALT-RIGHT
• Next article Lobotomise the Left

Written by The Elders

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I just read the Next article. I took the time to see what they really believed.

Here is more from that article since you can't do any research on your own...

Lobotomise the Left
Unicorn fashion, multiple genders, the Harry Potter nation—something has to be done, contends Based Odin!

Share


It’s no secret that the far-left are mentally deranged zombies processing their petty existences through a cluster**** hive-mind. We’ve seen evidence of this through their unabashed normalisation of gender fluidity, and the way they froth at the mouths during protests like horny hounds wanting to cannibalise their own kind. Now we have new evidence to suggest the further degradation of the left wing mentality, something altogether insidious and sly: the rising trend of destroying historical monuments.​

It would help more if you had bothered linking what your putting out in the first place more directly. ;0]

Honestly it looks like the same type of toxic spew thats thrown at Trump and Republicans by the left themselves and by the countless majority of threads made here in the same vein.

Different words yet same in terms of vile, with different subjects and targets. Mentality behind it is however all the same around the court.

Hatfield and McCoy's. Mirror images of one another.

 

[Mister Emu]

Start here.

Why would I start with blatantly lying propaganda.

They are street toughs. They are thugs. They aren't white supremacists. They're led and co-founded by a Cuban. They don't discriminate based on race, but on promulgation of classic western (American) values.

They're bad enough without lying about them.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Why would I start with blatantly lying propaganda.

They are street toughs. They are thugs. They aren't white supremacists. They're led and co-founded by a Cuban. They don't discriminate based on race, but on promulgation of classic western (American) values.

They're bad enough without lying about them.

Come on. The proud Boys explicitly endorse white genocide conspiracy theories, decry interracial relationships, single-out white women having abortions as evil and their membership (and leadership) constantly spout antisemitic conspiracy theories. Not to mention their platforming and allying with white supremacists, and the fact that they organized the white supermacist-dominated Unite The Right rally. They quite obviously connect "western values" with "whiteness", even if their membership is not exclusively white.

They are white supremacists.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

What I always thought was funny about the Proud Boys is that their founder, Gavin McInnis, is a hipster douche. Like all hipsters, he's very vain about his looks and is hardly a great example of masculinity. He probably hasn't done a bit of manual labor in his life and hasn't been in a real fight. These types care more about hair product than they do about engaging in traditionally masculine pursuits (besides drinking beer, but even then it's snobby craft beer and not the beer working men drink). He's just a sissy middle class white boy who is a tuff guy in his own mind. It's really quite hilarious.

Hmmm...I'm torn between agreeing, or jumping to the defence of snobby craft beer.
I grew up working class, and still hold some values from then (it's hard to shake). But I couldn't go back to crap beer. I'd rather go...*whimpers*...teetotal.

 

[Mister Emu]

Come on.

Come on yourself. This guy: CNN reporter presses Proud Boys chairman at dueling protests in Portland, Oregon - CNN Video is not leading a white supremacist organization.

BLM group, Proud Boys stand together at Salt Lake City press conference I remember all those white supremacists standing with BLM, oh wait.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Come on yourself. This guy: CNN reporter presses Proud Boys chairman at dueling protests in Portland, Oregon - CNN Video is not leading a white supremacist organization.

The contents of the organization seems to strongly indicate he is.

BLM group, Proud Boys stand together at Salt Lake City press conference I remember all those white supremacists standing with BLM, oh wait.

It's called optics. If you paid less attention to the image the Proud Boys want you to see and start paying attention to the actual content of their movement, their talking points and the groups and things they march against, maybe you would get a better idea.

Important advice: when trying to examine whether someone is racist, "taking their word for it" is not normally the optimal strategy.

 

[ecco]

It would help more if you had bothered linking what your putting out in the first place more directly. ;0]

Perhaps you should have done more research on the Proud Boys' beliefs really are before you posted your support of them.

The problem is, now that you know, you still want to defend them...

Honestly it looks like the same type of toxic spew thats thrown at Trump and Republicans by the left themselves and by the countless majority of threads made here in the same vein.

The website from which I quoted was not some left-wing bunch throwing crap at the Proud Boys. It was the Proud Boys stating, in their own words, their beliefs.

The fact that you are still equivocating shows you agree with their homophobic views.

 

[Mister Emu]

Important advice: when trying to examine whether someone is racist, "taking their word for it" is not normally the optimal strategy

That seems like the opposite of important or good advice. How many racists do you know? None that I know were/are shy, more akin to vegans ready to tell everyone around them.

The contents of the organization seems to strongly indicate he is.

How do you decide what actions are optics and which represent "the truth". It can't be so simple as actions you don't like are the real and actions that confront that view are false.

Here's some important advice: when examining a person or group, take in the whole, not just selectively the parts you want.

They're condemnable. They're definitely a hate group, they're definitely violent thugs, but they aren't a white supremacy group.

 

[tytlyf]

For those unaware of how racist and radical these semi-conscious CHUD's are.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That seems like the opposite of important or good advice. How many racists do you know? None that I know were/are shy, more akin to vegans ready to tell everyone around them.

That's because there's a difference between your casual racist and an actual white supremacist. You THINK all racists are outspoken and obvious, but that's just an assumption; obviously you can identify obvious and outspoken racists - but that doesn't mean the only racists are obvious and outspoken.

These days, many of them hide behind euphemisms like "race realists" or defenders of "western values". The actual white supremacist movement is savvy, media-trained and understands the importance of rhetorics and optics. They know shouting the N-word and constantly referencing lynchings probably isn't going to garner them any sympathetic media coverage. So they instead couch their ideology in terms of "IQs" and "cultural incompatibility".

How do you decide what actions are optics and which represent "the truth". It can't be so simple as actions you don't like are the real and actions that confront that view are false.

You look at their actions, their allies, their tactics and their targets. The Proud Boys are an openly violent group opposed to immigration, race-mixing and feminism. They have attacked anti-fascist and BLM protestors. Their founder links race and IQ and talks of the dangers of multiculturalism.

When members of such a group step forward and say to the press "We aren't racists, actually. Look, we're standing with BLM protestors for a photo op!" it should be met with a healthy degree of cynicism by any rational individual. If they aren't racist, they shouldn't be in a group started by a racist, that promotes racism, and whose allies feature actual literal neo-Nazis.

The fact that their forums and social media spaces are absolutely rife with overt racism is also a pretty clear indicator.

Of course, none of this means necessarily that every individual member is secretly a racist. But, at the very least, I would expect anybody educated on - and against - white supremacy would simply not want to be a member of an organization so closely linked to it.

Here's some important advice: when examining a person or group, take in the whole, not just selectively the parts you want.

You mean, like you do when you take a single instance of a single chapter standing for a photo op with BLM protestors as proof the entire group are not white supremacists?

They're condemnable. They're definitely a hate group, they're definitely violent thugs, but they aren't a white supremacy group.

So you're literally going to ignore all of the evidence and just re-assert your claim?

 

[tytlyf]

The fact that their forums and social media spaces are absolutely rife with overt racism is also a pretty clear indicator.

Very true, you can see racism even on their mainstream media outlets like Fox, Breitbart and the rest.
Just scroll to the comment section of any story involving a black person and crime. They can't resist to express their real feelings.
Most of the time Fox disables comments on stories involving POC and crime. They know their audience too well. We all do.

Lot's of white supremacists on the right, you don't have to be a card-carrying member. All you have to be is someone who secretly supports the ideology. You could easily weed them out with 1 simple question.

"Does diversity hurt America?"

 

[Twilight Hue]

Perhaps you should have done more research on the Proud Boys' beliefs really are before you posted your support of them.

The problem is, now that you know, you still want to defend them...



The website from which I quoted was not some left-wing bunch throwing crap at the Proud Boys. It was the Proud Boys stating, in their own words, their beliefs.

The fact that you are still equivocating shows you agree with their homophobic views.

Wow I notice you really project on people. I never said or indicated I support them. I just essentially said that they didn't sound that bad from what I gathered from their official site.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Wow I notice you really project on people. I never said or indicated I support them. I just essentially said that they didn't sound that bad from what I gathered from their official site.

It's hard to say if there's any one source to go to have a good idea of their overall ethos - it's something that takes a fair bit of work. Modern extremist groups in the USA are quite media savvy, so it can be difficult to pin them down without a fair bit of research, and it can be easy to write them off either way at face value.

So, I have some sympathy with you in that regard.

 

[ecco]

Wow I notice you really project on people. I never said or indicated I support them. I just essentially said that they didn't sound that bad from what I gathered from their official site.

You mean a quick glimpse of the part of their website that they wanted the casual observer to see.

After I read just one more page I saw that, among other traits held by Right-Wing-Radicals, they are virulently homophobic. I showed this to you. You still have not condemned them.

I don't need to project anything onto other people when their own comments (or lack thereof) make their positions clear.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You mean a quick glimpse of the part of their website that they wanted the casual observer to see.

After I read just one more page I saw that, among other traits held by Right-Wing-Radicals, they are virulently homophobic. I showed this to you. You still have not condemned them.

I don't need to project anything onto other people when their own comments (or lack thereof) make their positions clear.

So it's obvious poo flinging by two opposing sides. Big frigging deal. We see it all the time.

Actually, I find their toxic vitriol is no worse or better than that what is coming from the left and its sympathizers.

All you showed is a snippet from one members comment that was linked to an official site. Its the same as when people told me one founding members affiliation with Marxism does not reflect the organization itself, such as that with Black Lives Matter.

Your now doing the exact same thing as I was.

 

[ecco]

So it's obvious poo flinging by two opposing sides. Big frigging deal. We see it all the time.

It is not poo flinging by the opposition. What I quoted was written by one of their own...

Lobotomise the Left – Proud Boy Magazine
Written by Based Odin

Based Odin is a second degree Proud Boy in the United Kingdom.

If you think about it, whole organisations like Antifa could be transformed into docile slaves ready to serve the sane and proud world. This could not be considered inhumane as they already live as slaves; they just serve the wrong masters. The modern slave is not bound by race or religion, they would be achieving everything they ever wanted, a multi-ethnic society of dribbling spastics working together to make the world more prosperous for us proud westerners. Sure they would be mopping up excrement and doing the jobs that would make normal people vomit into their hands, but it’s better than them rioting in the streets for a cause funded by the global elite. Eventually we would have to create a beta breeding programme where we lock up swathes of the most beta males and females in cattle factories to birth future generations of pre-lobtomised slaves, each man and woman would be hooked to elaborate machines with giant python like tubes vomiting spunk from the men and into the women. Their eyes would be exposed to endless videos of pornography spliced with footage from Soviet Russia and Jeremy Corbyn rallies to ensure constant stimulation. After all it is hard to sexually stimulate a lobotomised freak.​

Actually, I find their toxic vitriol is no worse or better than that what is coming from the left and its sympathizers.

OK. Your turn. Post something from the left that compares to what your Proud Boys write about their beliefs.

I'll not hold my breath.

All you showed is a snippet from one members comment that was linked to an official site.

What I showed was part of an essay written by a "second degree Proud Boy" and published on "officialproudboys.com". I didn't post the entire thing. If you think my "snippet" is out of context, you are free to demonstrate why that is. You are also free to actually read the articles on their officialproudboys.com website and quote from there showing what nice people they are.