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Who are the Proud Boys? Start here.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Terry Sampson, Sep 30, 2020.

  1. Tambourine

    Tambourine Well-Known Member

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    So when you were talking about "violence and destruction by the radical left" you were not implicitly condemning those acts and the people who commit them?

    Are you also claiming that you never talked negatively about Antifa or "the radical left"?
     
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  2. Tambourine

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    There is a difference between "Antifa is an idea" and "Antifa is only an idea".
     
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    You called out everyone who called these people Nazis and claimed that it was an accusation not based on facts.
    I felt targeted by this because when I talk about fascists or Neonazis, I carefully choose my words to mean what they mean.

    These people are dangerous racist thugs in the service of white supremacy. I feel that at the very least, comparing them to the SA or the Blackshirts to be appropriate here.

    That's such an absurdly narrow definition of Nazism that it doesn't even fit the historical NSDAP.

    So I take it that in your world, no Nazis presently exist?

    Is this claim based on any factual evidence? Because to be honest that sounds like an extremely wrong assumption to me.

    What makes you think that they don't believe in any "Nazi principles"?
     
  4. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Here is what the link actually says...

    ~~~The Proud Boys are a men’s organization founded in 2016 by Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes. McInnes has described the Proud Boys as a pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world; aka Western Chauvinists.

    Proud Boys‘ values center on the following tenets:

    Minimal Government
    Maximum Freedom
    Anti-Political Correctness
    Anti-Drug War
    Closed Borders
    Anti-Racial Guilt
    Anti-Racism
    Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
    Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
    Glorifying the Entrepreneur
    Venerating the Housewife
    Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

    Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is “a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world.” We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us. We have an international reach, with members spanning the globe. If you have any questions or would like get in contact with your local chapter, feel free to contact us directly via our staff page. This, after all, the one and only Proud Boy Magazine. For Proud Boys, by Proud Boys. UHURU!

    If you’re interested here are some additional articles and video clips to shed some more light on our movement. In fact, here are a few Gavin has written for this website.

    We Are Not Alt-Right ~~~

    So. Where is all this 'extra- "more from their website' information coming from?

    Or is this just pulled from ones ***?
     
  5. Cooky

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    I can go for that... I support the Proud Boys.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I don't support people or groups who go around harassing people and threatening them with powerful guns, but especially with those who claim to be Christians.
     
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    So you don't support protesters? Because the Proud Boys seem like peaceful protesters to me, until militant left-wing radicals show up on the scene and start bullying them.
     
  8. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Hey, did you see this great inside the proud boys (and some of their opponents also) video, which is sympathetic and fair --

     
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    I'll try watching it after work in a few hours... Short day today.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Isn't it a real shame that some always blame others for the wrong they do?
     
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    You didn't call them Nazis.

    Calling them Nazis is a bad idea unless they claim it themselves, because: I think labeling any racist thug a Nazi can actually encourage the ideology and possibly make things worse, so that's why I say they oughtn't to be called Nazis, unless they claim it themselves. Nazism is worse than thuggery, fascism or racism and is a contagious ideology creating a death cult that believes in culling weakness from humanity.

    Here is a link with some info about them. They appear to have nothing against violence and deception in the service of their ideals, but they are ideals. They have an ideology that is contagious under some circumstances and tends to appeal to racists, sometimes. https://culteducation.com/group/1071-neo-nazis.html

    Its the only definition that matters. Do we want to stop Nazism? Then we can help by not claiming every racist thug is one.

    Now you're just being dramatic and denying I've said anything.

    https://culteducation.com/group/1071-neo-nazis.html

    There is plenty. Lots of evidence, starting with that link above. Racist does not equal Nazi. You think people adopt Nazism for no reason? They adopt it, because it claims to be a moral system and appeals to people on the basis of morality. It claims its going to make the world better. To some it sounds logical that you could make the world better by having both a smaller population and with healthy genetics. That's why its worse than racism. A racist simply believes that there are races and may not believe one must trounce all the others, and a racist could simply believe (maybe through some silly cult brainwashing) that God wants us to have races or some other nonsense. Sure, its not healthy but they don't come anywhere near to being a Nazi. A Nazi believes God want him to purify the human race. That's much worse.

    Irrelevant, because I haven't claimed they aren't Nazis only that unless they claim it that its a bad idea to label them such.
     
  12. It Aint Necessarily So

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    Take a peak at this video beginning about a minute in and tell me if your opinion is still the same afterward. They are the words of founder Gavin McInnes:

    https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1311413755633381381
     
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  13. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Suppose it's the same for angry left wingers as well. Runs in the family.
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Dosent look all that bad to me either.
     
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    He also wrote the most vile, sick hate screed against trans people I've ever come across. He deserves to be whacked in the face with a metal bat. He's one serious piece of ****. And to think that he co-founded Vice.

    Did 'Thought Catalog' Just Publish The Most Transphobic Article Ever?
     
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    Watch the video It Ain't Necessarily So posted.
     
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    I’m not a fan of angry “wingers” of any variety, whether left, right, up or down. But I honestly don’t see the connection.

    Does BLM or some other left wing group have some weird bylaws governing the frequency and method of male ejaculation and pornography viewing of its members, like Proud Boys has?

    I’m more of a what you do in your bedroom is your business and I hope it makes you happy, kind of guy. ;)
     
  18. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    I'll watch it. It's not like I'm clamoring to join them anytime soon.
     
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    Same here.
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    They come across as man cave type individuals focusing on fraternity among like minded compatriots. A glorified 'Moose club' of sorts?

    I agree with you wholeheartedly what people do in their bedrooms is entirely their business, of which Im as well, a live and let live type of guy.
     
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