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Featured Which Worldview Is the Most Logical?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SalixIncendium, Jan 6, 2019.

  1. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Resident Hermit
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    There are many worldviews, such as atheism, apatheism, agnosticism, theism, deism, pantheism, panentheism just to name a few.

    In this thread, we will offer our opinions as to which worldview is the most logical. With your opinion, please provide a reasoned argument as to why.

    Preemptively, this is not a thread to argue which worldview is right. The view you perceive to be the most logical may not even be your own.

    Above all, let's please keep the discourse civil.

    I will offer my opinion later in the thread, but you are welcome to guess which one I might view as the most logical. You might be surprised.
     
  2. Sunstone

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    I'm guessing, Scott, that you have seen the light at last and are going to reveal later on in this thread that you now believe Pastaferianism is the most logical -- albeit still appalling -- worldview.
     
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  3. SalixIncendium

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    You weren't supposed to reveal the cliffhanger this early in the thread, Phil. The cat is now out of the bag. And what do you mean by "now believe?" Pastafarianism has always been my most logical One True Path™.
     
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    I don't know which worldview is the most logical, although I am certain that some worldviews are more logically coherent than others.

    Having said that, the view I'd pick for most logical -- if pressed to do so -- would be pantheism. Pantheism is basically a tautology. Many folks think a tautology is illogical, but tautologies are actually about the most logical arguments you can provide for something. A because A. You can't get a much stronger argument than that -- strictly speaking.

    However, tautologies do not usually provide us with satisfying grounds for their conclusions. Pantheism is not proven true by the mere fact it amounts to a tautology.

    I myself am not a pantheist, although I could be one if there were some strong argument for pantheism that could not be reduced to a tautology.
     
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  5. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Well, that was a short thread.
     
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  6. ChristineM

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    I'm atheist so should say atheism is the most logical, in fact i am probably right through atheism and out the other side. I.e. its not disbelief or lack of belief in gods but more like understanding and knowledge that gods (omni______ (fill in the blanks) gods) cannot exist in this universe.

    Having said all that, agnosticism is logically a more accurate worldview.
     
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  7. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Ok...I believe God exists but since free will prevails from mono-cellulars to the most evolved beings, it's like He didn't exist.
    so theism=atheism
     
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    Naturally, I would say that my worldview of Existentialism is the most Logical because it uses every bit of ones intellegence to survive as fully as it is possible to do.
     
  9. Unveiled Artist

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    Logical? Hmm.

    In order of logic or somewhat order

    1. Apatheism. While belief and no belief are fun to think about, at the end, it depends on the person. God (in the definition I found of the word) as creating nature is highly irellevant to nature. If it can't be used nor be found to use to understand god outside human thought, it doesnt mean nor have use. Maybe in philosophy.

    2. Agnostic. If the claim of god has some validity enough to form a nonapathetic opinion of it, the best thing to say is we dont know. If god exists apart from humans, it should not have many definitions. There is no one elephant and blind men. If we can understand that we can't prove something is not in full based on faith, belief, abstract experience (I.e. love etc), the only thing that makes sense is, we dont know.

    I think one and two are could be about the same

    3. Deism. If a god created the universe, we are not anything special. One thing that makes god a human thing is thinking we are the center of the universe. Deism doesnt think from that perspective. First time I heard the term was here on RF.

    4. Pantheism. Because the earth takes care of and creates us unto and out of existence it can be considered god. Logical? I can't see god in it but it's equal so less politics involved.

    5. Atheism

    Either god exists or he doesnt. I rather use gnostic (if that's the right word) for myself. When you know something is true, there is no reason to say I-believe. Kinda like saying I believe two and two is four. Of course it is. Have faith, my son. Say you know. Trust yourself.

    Can't think of others. This isnt set in stone mind you
     
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    Audism.
     
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  11. Unveiled Artist

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    Is that the right or appropriate word? That term is discriminating and used on deaf and hard of hearing people (worked with Deaf so know the culture well).
     
  12. SalixIncendium

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    Yes.

    How is such a term used by itself discriminating? Is autism discriminating? Alcoholism?

    That said, the term was clearly used in a context that relates to @Audie's worldview, not the hearing impaired.
     
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  13. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    My combination of Advaita and Atheism. We started with a ball of energy. All things arose from that.
     
  14. Unveiled Artist

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    She wrote audism not autism
     
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    What is appalling about Pastafarianism? (On a sidenote my spell checker confirmed my spelling a c put a red "error" underline below yours) . I made a fantastic Bolognese sauce last night.
     
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  16. SalixIncendium

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    Correct. Her username is Audie. Her most logical world view is her own personal worldview, which she has chosen to coin "Audism." I won't speak for her, but I'm confident she wasn't using the term as it relates to the hearing impaired.
     
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  17. Unveiled Artist

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    Internet is not a good way to display irony.

    My post was a question not an accusation of her using that word. I'm sure she would answer respectfully to clear up the confusion.
     
  18. SalixIncendium

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    I've sort have moved away from his noodly goodness. I'm starting a new spiritual movement called Rice-a-crucianism.
     
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  19. SalixIncendium

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    And again, I think you are reading intent into where there was none.

    A question that I answered. I'm sure Audie will respond if she feels the need or if she feels my answer was not adequate.

    Can we stop with 'hot-button word' derail now and get back on topic?
     
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  20. Subduction Zone

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    Rice has its good points. Sake comes to mind.
     
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