1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured Which son of Noah is Cromagnon?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by OtherSheep, Aug 11, 2020.

  1. OtherSheep

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,030
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Jesus
    I have changed my profile picture to that of the Cro-Magnon woman of Paviland Cave in Wales. I believe that this is the original people of Britain. These were black-haired and tanned dolichiocephalic, which matches the description that Thurnam and Bedoe gave to the aborigines of Britain. It also matches what Tacitus and Solinus say about the Silures who lived all along the South-West Coast of Britain.

    Cromagnon never died out. Their type still exists today. See the web page below.

    Antropologia fisica

    So I ask the question, Which Son of Noah is Cromagnon?
    If Japheth was given Europe, Which Son of Japheth is Cromagnon?
     
    #1 OtherSheep, Aug 11, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2020
    • Like Like x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  2. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    65,378
    Ratings:
    +23,408
    Religion:
    God is in the Rain
    No one, none of them. Cromagnon died out long before the time of the Bible and ancient Egypt. Cromagnon was also in Europe, not the Middle East.
    And, again, the Celts aren't Jewish, amd Cromagnon is an early European human. We have a few descendants of the Celts here on this forum, and there are plenty of us who can offer our DNA and it will disprove this hypothesis.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  3. Orbit

    Orbit I'm a planet

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2014
    Messages:
    1,451
    Ratings:
    +1,227
    Religion:
    Dinner
    You are not Cro-Magnon. You are Homo Sapiens Sapiens. And yes, I do have a degree in Anthropology.
     
    • Like Like x 6
    • Informative Informative x 1
  4. Father Heathen

    Father Heathen Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2008
    Messages:
    33,332
    Ratings:
    +18,349
    What kind of plesiosuar was leviathan?
     
    • Funny Funny x 4
    • Winner Winner x 2
  5. beenherebeforeagain

    beenherebeforeagain Rogue Animist
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    Messages:
    19,940
    Ratings:
    +6,439
    Religion:
    Modern Animist
    Glad I was not taking a drink at the moment I read this!:eek::p:D

    Wish I could give it a winner as well!:cool:
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  6. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    65,378
    Ratings:
    +23,408
    Religion:
    God is in the Rain
    What kind of two-horned animal was the unicorn?:rolleyes:
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  7. beenherebeforeagain

    beenherebeforeagain Rogue Animist
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    Messages:
    19,940
    Ratings:
    +6,439
    Religion:
    Modern Animist
    Clearly, leviathan was not a plesiosaur; it was a mosasaur...
    [​IMG]
     
  8. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    24,479
    Ratings:
    +11,609
    Religion:
    Vedanta (reform)
    Splitter!

    I disagree. What significant differences are there between Early Modern Humans and yourself? There is more variation among modern "races."

    -- a Cro Magnon.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  9. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2018
    Messages:
    4,823
    Ratings:
    +1,971
    Religion:
    Judaism
    We have to understand that portions of Genesis are legends, rather than actual history. The flood epic is borrowed from the Sumerians, and altered slightly, as stories do change over time. It is a wrong notion to treat the flood story as though it is historical, with each of Noah's sons as the patriarch of a race.

    Thus, look to science to tell you who the Crogmagon are, not the sacred texts.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 2
  10. Niblo

    Niblo Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2017
    Messages:
    423
    Ratings:
    +434
    Religion:
    Islam
    The 'Red Lady of Paviland' was a bloke! You might want to change your profile pic.

    I am of the Silures, by the way.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  11. Niblo

    Niblo Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2017
    Messages:
    423
    Ratings:
    +434
    Religion:
    Islam
    Done!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. 1213

    1213 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2017
    Messages:
    2,214
    Ratings:
    +429
    Religion:
    Disciple of Jesus
    What do you think Cro-Magnon means?
     
  13. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    24,479
    Ratings:
    +11,609
    Religion:
    Vedanta (reform)
    I think it's the name of a rock shelter in France where some prehistoric human remains were unearthed.
    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  14. OtherSheep

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,030
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Jesus
    True, the Bible was lifted from people in Sumeria. As well as from all of the places the Hurrians lived, and from Greece and Egypt, too. Who wrote those texts in Sumeria may have been any number of different tribes, including the tribe which wrote the Code of Hammurabi. But the Akkadians only used the script and copied that which pleased them.

    The flood of Deucalion, from Samothrace, is almost the same as that given by the Welsh who came from a summer land near Constantinople. The same "mysteries" were known by both.

    There is an account, in the Welsh Triads, of the bursting of Llyn Llion by which "all persons were drowned, with the exception of Dwyfan and Dwyfach, who escaped in a ship without sails, and the isle of Britain was repopulated from them."

    Which may be the clue to the CroMagnon aborigines, and Cheddar man, etc. The flood can easily be the ice caps melting.

    But Legend and Folk History cannot be easily dismissed simply because they weren't yet written down. Illiterate men had vastly superior memories because they needed them. The oral teachings of the Druids included Science, History and Religion. Those teachings spread to Ireland and over Gaul, and were carried [like the flight of an arrow] to the Delphic Oracle, and passed to Pythagoras [says Clement], and on to the Indians and Persians ... who each made of it what they will.

    Knowledge spread in this way, from the West. ... But not every man has the same talent, and some changed it to suit their perceived needs. ... Science has the same operating principles, but instead, starting with a theory. They used to call it Philosophy, this need to define what was made and how.
     
  15. OtherSheep

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,030
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Jesus
    Consider it done: Here's the correct woman.

    Battle for the Red Lady of Paviland: Welsh politician asks Oxford University to return 30,000-year-old skeleton to its homeland | Daily Mail Online

    Aurignacian Paviland Cave, and the sprinkling of red ochre as part of the Cro-Magnon ritual. The out of africa people seem to be related to the oriental mirage people, who think nothing good came from north or west.

    Are you Welsh Silures? or did you find out where they might have come from, if Iberia was the homeland? Tacitus also had the north-west origin blind-spot.
     
  16. OtherSheep

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,030
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Jesus
    I've seen where there were "Neanderthals in Southwest Asia" ... but not Cro-Magnons.

    Ethnologists say the Cro-Magnon still exists today.

    And... if you don't mind... try to stop saying that I said what I didn't say. The religion of Judaism has circled the globe, but its proselytes are not Judah.

    Linguistically, very many Cornish words have Semitic Roots, as noticed by Doyle. And whole sentences in Welsh are exactly the Semitic counterpart. A difficult thing to achieve, since Welsh, like Minoan, has the word order of verb-subject-object. Which is not the only thing about the Britons which matches the Cretans.
     
  17. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    65,378
    Ratings:
    +23,408
    Religion:
    God is in the Rain
    None of them worthy of consideration. Certainly none that I'm aware of, and I've taken several anthropology classes. The old mongol and negroid and whatever other terms Huxley used have fallen out of favor. Every human today is modern homo sapiens, even though some of us are descended from Anglo-Saxons, Celts, Sub-Saharan Africa, Arabic, Persian, and so on and so forth. As the song says, "me and you sir, homosapien too."
    You did make connections between the Celts and lost tribes of the Hebrews. We, those of Celtic descent, do not share cultural connections or heritage with the Hebrews.
    Coincidence (mama and papa, or words that are very similar are extremely common around the world). And that's the Welsh. How are the Welsh and not the other Celtic Nations, and somewhat of an oddity at that. Even the Irish and Scotts, having previously been the same cultural group are today not the same.
     
  18. OtherSheep

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,030
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Jesus
    You've been indoctrinated. Why am I not surprised. :rolleyes:

    "Fallen out of favor" means "have been banned" or "won't get published".

    Celt is defined as Celtic-Speaking, by the Language Department of the Universities.

    In fact, I don't believe the tribes were ever lost. Jesus says He came to find the lost tribes, and He came looking for them in Galilee of the Gentiles. One verse says Jesus came only unto the tribes of Israel. And He sent his disciples to none but the lost tribes. He knew where they were, and so did the disciples. They were never literally lost, but spiritually.

    Did you take some part of that to mean that I thought the Celts are Semites?
    Au contraire! If the tribes were easy to see today, they'd be the target.

    Part of your sentences have gone missing, so I'm unable to reply, except in a general way.

    Non-indo-european Features of Celtic Languages

    The Gael and Cymbri, or, An inquiry into the origin and history of the Irish Scoti, Britons, and Gauls, and of the Caledonians, Picts, Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons

    The above link explains the differences between Gael and Cymbri, written by Betham.


    And even the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle sees a few bits of inconvenient history, explaining the same differences.

    "The island Britain (1) is 800 miles long, and 200 miles broad. And there are in the island five nations; English, Welsh (or British) (2), Scottish, Pictish, and Latin. The first inhabitants were the Britons, who came from Armenia (3), and first peopled Britain southward. Then happened it, that the Picts came south from Scythia, with long ships, not many; and, landing first in the northern part of Ireland, they told the Scots that they must dwell there. But they would not give them leave; for the Scots told them that they could not all dwell there together; "But," said the Scots, "we can nevertheless give you advice. We know another island here to the east. There you may dwell, if you will; and whosoever withstandeth you, we will assist you, that you may gain it." Then went the Picts and entered this land northward. Southward the Britons possessed it, as we before said. And the Picts obtained wives of the Scots, on condition that they chose their kings always on the female side (4); which they have continued to do, so long since."

    All of which is mirrored in the Irish annals, where the Irish [called Scots above] are said to be Scythians out of Magog. ... Not out of Gomer.

    Josephus calls Gomer the father of the Gauls and Galatians. ... Not Magog's Scythians.
    1. Togarmah is also out of Gomer, which the ancient Armenians called their father. Armenia is that which the Saxon Chronicle claims to be the home of the Britons. Armenia is also called Phrygia, in Asia Minor.
    2. Riphath is Paphlagonia, between Bythnia and Pontus, also in Asia Minor, near the place of the Hatti.
    3. Ashkenaz is on several old maps near Troy in Asia Minor.
    The Welsh Triads say their Summerland was near Constantinople, from which they came as the tribal nation of Cymry. The Triads say that three tribes of the Cymry came into Britain.
     
  19. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    65,378
    Ratings:
    +23,408
    Religion:
    God is in the Rain
    Fallen out favor means we learned better. Like the idea of "bad air" causing illness falling out of favor once we learned Germ Theory.
    We aren't Serbian or Asian. We aren't descended from the Magog, Japeth, or Noah. We are not Jewish or Hebrew. Our heritage is Briton Celt. We are today of Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Manx, and Cornish stock, with diaspora around the world.
    You do that every time you claim we are descended from Magog son of Japeth, grandson of Noah.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. OtherSheep

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,030
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Jesus
    If you're Irish and have red hair and light eyes, you're not the same tribe as the Brythonic who are the aboriginal Britons.

    If you live in Ireland and have dark hair, you might be Silures which is what Irish histories called the Formarian.

    The following applies to the redheads:

    "... our nation of Scots has been described in many publications -- that crossing from Greater Scythia, via the Tyrhennian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and living in Spain among the fiercest tribes for many years, it could be conquered by no one anywhere, no matter how barbarous the tribes. Afterwards, coming from there, one thousand two hundred years from the Israelite people's crossing of the Red Sea, to its home in the west, which it now holds, having first thrown out the Britons and completely destroyed the Picts, and even though it was often attacked by the Norse, the Danes and the English, it fought back with many victories and countless labours and it has held itself ever since, free from all slavery, as the historians of old testify."
    --Declaration of Arbroath

    The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle's idea of who lived in Norway doesn't match Arbroath. And Scythians aren't dolichiocephalic. They match what is said about the Belgae... some of whom lived in Ireland... another possible reason for the Irish redhead.

    [But if you're not a redhead, you should think of changing your profile pic, because that person has the skin of a redhead, too.]
     
    #20 OtherSheep, Aug 14, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2020
Loading...