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Which Holy Book is superior?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Toxikmynd, Jan 13, 2015.

  1. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    I thought it was you who claimed that there was scientific content worth considering on them?
     
  2. Toxikmynd

    Toxikmynd Demir

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    From a relevancy perspective.
     
  3. Toxikmynd

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    I might have worded it that way, but isn't what I meant, and I apologize for that. I accept that I am making an a-s of myself.
     
  4. LuisDantas

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    Wow, that is harsh wording. Sorry if I sounded that way.
     
  5. negar

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    Quran
    it is perfect
    Serch for a good translation and enjoy
    There is many scientific point in it from 1400 y ago that we are finding them now!
     
  6. Toxikmynd

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    I'm quick to agree, but simply being blunt never gets a point across.
     
  7. outhouse

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    No evidence at all for that one lol ??????????
     
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  8. ChristineES

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    Superiority is in the mind of the beholder, translation: Each person is going to find his or her own scriptures better than others. As for aesthetics, I am sure that each writing has it's own beauty, intelligence, and whatnot.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Most Christian theologians that I have run across use the Revised Standard Edition, which can be accessed here on-line: Bible: Revised Standard Version

    It tends to read a bit clumsy since the authors chose the most accurate words versus trying to make it read smoothly. The KJV, traditionally at least, chose smoothness.
     
  10. Lyndon

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    In answer to your question, "which holy book is better"? The one that works for YOU.
     
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  11. Starjade

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    You all look at these so called Holy Books with closed eyes. I can easily establish that the New Testament and the Quran are false and so those two you can all discount.
     
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    In the effect had on mankind, copies in circulation, and number of languages translated, no other book even comes close to the Bible. Despite centuries of intellectual attacks on the Bible, it stands today as scientifically accurate. The Bible also contains hundreds of prophecies, many already fulfilled with stunning accuracy. I believe it's wisdom is unrivaled by any other book, ancient or modern. It claims to be the Word of God, and the evidence proves this claim, IMO.
     
  13. Jainarayan

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    Scientific inaccuracies in the Bible:

    Biblical scientific errors - RationalWiki
    Bible Errors in Genesis - Errors & Mistakes in Genesis, First Book of the Bible
    Science and History in the Bible

    And any "prophecy" is accurate when it is written after it has happened.
     
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  14. Toxikmynd

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    In scripture, a notation....and the books of life shall be opened....

    I say the one book that MUST be ...'sufficient'....is the book you are now writing.

    Everything you profess...all that you believe and why....

    including whatever you think you are doing here....
     
  16. Riverwolf

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    Eh, most of the Edda lays don't do much for me, to be honest. Then again, I don't really count the Poetic Edda as a "holy book".
     
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    If I want science I read a Science book.
    What did Iron age and Dark ages man Know of science.
    Statistically there are bound to be a few near misses.
     
  18. Rick O'Shez

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    I'd be interested to see you do that. ;)
     
  19. Starjade

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    I already have done that. Did nobody bother to tell you. Muslims still have a chance to defend their Quran in the Sura 4:82 challenge although I doubt they will dare to face me. As for the New Testament. Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards is a law that determines the truth regarding any crime of iniquity or Sin. The law says you need two or three witness to establish if a thing is true or not.

    Name two or three actual witnesses to the appearance of the Angel Gabriel in the Temple foretelling of the coming of John the Baptist or Jesus. Its found in Luke by the way. Then show two or three actual witness to the birth of Jesus or to the death of Jesus or to any claimed miracles performed by Jesus. It is already a known fact there is none. It is just a claim written by unknown obscure writers of the New Testament. There is no historical evidence for the existence of Jesus in any Roman records of that Time and such records of other trials do exist. None of any character called Jesus. It is all just a tale writ to begile. None of these non actual so called witness testimonies are written by any witnesses and is just hearsay.
    According to the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards a law that was brought down by Moses from the living God and is the actual word then of the Living God those New Testament statements are not true. They do not stand good in accordance with religious law.


    Furthermore. Christian preachers always claim their new Testament are the gospel truths. yet when examined it is found they are not as true as christian preachers claim. Here are some examples.



    Your brain has been brainwashed into believing in a thing that is not true. Look however, at the many contradictions in those tales. Even the writers could not agree on the stories they were inventing.
    When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?

    (a) Yes (Matthew 21:12).


    (b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark 11:1-17).
    Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?

    (a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32).

    (b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1:11, 1 Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30).





    Did Judas kiss Jesus?

    (a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50).


    (b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12).



    Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?

    (a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf. Luke 19:35). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.”


    (b) Two - a colt and an *** (Matthew 21:7). They brought the *** and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.”



    Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

    (a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22).

    (b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43).

    When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?

    (a) Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.”


    (b) No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”



    Did Herod think that Jesus was John the baptist?

    (a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16).


    (b) No (Luke 9:9)



    Did John the Baptist recognise Jesus before his baptism?

    (a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14).


    (b) No (John 1:32, 33).



    Did John the Baptist recognise Jesus after his baptism?

    (a) Yes (John 1:32, 33).


    (b) No (Matthew 11:2).



    Did Jesus bear his own cross?

    (a) Yes (John 19:17).


    (b) No (Matthew 27:31-32).



    Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?

    (a) Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark 15:37-38).


    (b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46).



    Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

    (a) On the cross (Mark 15:23).


    (b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14).



    When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?

    (a) Yes (Acts 9:7).


    (b) No (Acts 22:9).



    When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his travelling companions also fall to the ground?

    (a) Yes (Acts 26:14).


    (b) No (Acts 9:7).



    Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?

    (a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18).


    (b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts 9:7; 22:10).



    Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?

    (a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10:1-4; Mark 3:13-19).


    (b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16).



    Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

    (a) After (Mark 14:12-17).


    (b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 13:1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgement hall because they wanted to stay clean to eat the passover (John 18:28). When the judgement was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14).



    Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?

    (a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42).


    (b) No. (John 12:27).



    In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?

    (a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42).


    (b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46).



    Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?

    (a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:39).


    (b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42).



    If Jesus had moved away how can others then say what was said. ?




    What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?

    (a) “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47).


    (b) “Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39).



    When as claimed Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” in what language did he speak?

    (a) Hebrew: the words are “Eli, Eli . . . “ (Matthew 27:46).


    (b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi . . . “ (Mark 15:34).



    According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?

    (a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46).


    (b) “It is finished” (John 19:30).



    When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?

    (a) Yes (Matthew 8:5).


    (b) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3, 6).



    Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?

    (a) No (John 3:13).


    (b) Yes. “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven”(2 Kings 2:11).



    Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

    (a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40).


    (b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus]” (Mark 16:1).



    When did the women buy the spices?

    (a) After “the sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1).


    (b) Before the sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment”(Luke 23:55 to 24:1).



    At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

    (a) “Toward the dawn” (Matthew 28:1).


    (b) “When the sun had risen” (Mark 16:2).



    What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

    (a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16:1;Luke 23:55 to 24:1).

    (b) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28:1).


    (c) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the sabbath (John 20:1).



    A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

    (a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4). They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb” (Luke 24:2). They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1)


    (b) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6).



    Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’body?

    (a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe” (Mark 16:5). “Two men . . . in dazzling apparel” later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote).


    (b) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him”(John 20:2).



    When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

    (a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9).


    (b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognise him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognised him and called him “Teacher.” Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me . . . “ (John 20:11 to 17).



    Was baby Jesus’s life threatened in Jerusalem?

    (a) Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 - 23).


    (b) No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40).



    Starjade concludes: I could continue. But the point being made is just because you believe a tale being writ so it might be believed that does not make that tale to be true. If it had been true then why the contradictions that argue against those very words you believe. Hardly a mistake when so many different tales of the same things vary.




    You can believe there is a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow but if you ever find that end of the rainbow and dig it up then you will be disappointed.



     
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    ok...so you did a comparative study of the favored quotes.
    Good for you.....and I'm glad you posted as you did.

    Still, this thread (I think) was intended to discuss which of the scriptures held to which faith....is better.

    The Jews have their favored text, as do the Christians, as do the Muslims....

    Sorting through the many quotes is a worthwhile effort.
    I've done likewise.

    There is no manner however to sort out the word for word play of the events.
    We were not there.

    I suggest you take the portions that can make a better person of you and display them for the sake of others.
     
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