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Which Came First the Orange or Orange?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by The Hammer, May 17, 2022.

  1. The Hammer

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  2. Subduction Zone

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    And there is a good reason that the color "carrot" never caught on:

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  3. The Hammer

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    I'm growing a rainbow variety this season. Hopefully. We'll see given how wet and cool the spring has been.
     
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    Carrots have a long growing season so you should be okay. We used to grow them on our farm's home garden when I was growing up. We would let them grow until the first hard freeze.
     
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  6. ChristineM

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    An orange is a left handed lemon.

    Same molecule (limonene) that gives it its flavour is just reversed.

    I always thought left was better :rolleyes:
     
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  7. exchemist

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    ..and thereby hangs a tale......

    My understanding is that orange carrots were originally bred in the Netherlands in honour of the Dutch monarchy, which was and is the House of Orange-Nassau. This got its name from Orange in Provence, in France, via a marriage between a German prince of Nassau and Claudia of Orange. One of the descendants of this family, which had become governors of Flanders under the Spanish (Habsburg) rule at the time, was William the Silent, who led the Protestant Dutch revolt against Catholic Spain which ultimately established the Netherlands as an independent state.

    One of his descendants became William III of England, when he replaced James II in an almost bloodless coup known, (to Protestants at least;)) as the "Glorious Revolution". There was however fighting in Ireland over this change, culminating in the Battle of the Boyne in 1690, which William's forces won. To this day, the "Orangemen", dressed in dark suits with bowler hats and orange sashes, lead processions on the anniversary of the battle. Until recently these were routed deliberately through the Catholic districts of Londonderry, to rub the noses of the Catholics in their defeat.

    And to this day in Glasgow (which has historically had a lot of interchange with N Ireland) the buses have a 3 tone colour scheme: green, for Catholics, orange for Protestants and cream. Though I think they are gradually changing the shading to make it less obviously tribal.

    But, on a more cheerful note, if you ever travel on a KLM plane on the monarch's birthday, you will find all the cabin staff wearing something orange. For the Dutch, the colour does not have the unhappy religious tribal associations it can have in parts of the British Isles.
     
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    Maybe what we call 'Orange' today used to be called 'Fire', back in the day before pumpkins turned into oranges.
     
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    What dirty joke could make a lemon blush? Who put the fire in the orange?
     
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    Little known fact....
    Only one word in the English language
    rhymes with "orange"...it's "splorange".
    (It's the residue in a sauce pan after
    making a heavy cream sauce for snails.)
     
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    Depends.
    Left handed women are best.
    Leftover chocolate cake, likewise.
    In politics, no.
     
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    It seems this is not quite accurate. Apparently it is the D-isomer that is found in the oily zest of both oranges and lemons.

    The L-isomer, with a piny odour, is found in caraway, dill, bergamot and, according to my ancient Finar, peppermint oil.

    It's a terpene. The chemical structure seems to be quite simple (optically active centre being the carbon at bottom vertex of the ring):
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    You are not often wrong and it is surely not up to me to tell you when you are wrong but apart from the chocolate cake i must say you are wrong, very wrong
     
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    Limonene
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    So, if you drive a lemon on the left, does that make it an orange? ;)
     
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    No, a peppermint. :D
     
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  19. ChristineM

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    Or vice versa.
     
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    Its actually Han women. As my sister you
    are included.
    As a resident here you would develop a
    different left / right list.

    Chocolate cake is really good.

    Thetefore I am correct.
     
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