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Which Bible is inerrant and inspired?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Wandering Monk, Nov 15, 2019.

  1. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

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    Most of the Christian world believes in the inspiration or inerrancy of the Bible, but I am not sure that most of the Christian world is aware that there are different collections of books (canons) of the Bible. The greatest differences are in the New Testament books.

    The Nestorian canon excludes 2 and 3 John, 2 Peter, Jude, and Revelation

    The Armenian canon included 3 Corinthians and excluded Revelation until about 1200 AD. The Armenian Apostolic churches at times included the Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs in their Old Testament canon.

    The Coptic-Arabic church included the Apostolic Constitutions and the Epistles of Clement.

    At various times different Protestant sect sought to exclude 2 and 3 John and 2 Peter.

    Luther excluded James.

    So, do you still believe there is ONE inerrant or inspired collection of NT books? If so, which one?

    I am NOT talking about versions or translations, but canons.

    Biblical canon - Wikipedia
     
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  2. leov

    leov Well-Known Member
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    Scriptures are multifaceted theological teaching tools, written by mystery schools, they inspired but not dictated.
     
  3. Good-Ole-Rebel

    Good-Ole-Rebel Active Member

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    Actually, the greatest debate concerns the Old Testament, not the New.

    Yes, there is one correct canon of Scripture. The 39 books of the Old Testament, and 27 in the New. Genesis to Malachai. Matthew to Revelation.

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    Each of the different Bibles contains some truth but also some that is false. The only solution to this is to test; and then one keep the truth. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

    But to be able to prove one need the third eye, which is the Holy Spirit who can dwell in one.
    Without the Holy Spirit one is not able to recognize and understand God's Word, he is the teacher who was sent by the Father in the name of the Son.

    John 14:26 KJV
    But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
     
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    exchemist Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps you should have taken the same amount of trouble to explore what is meant by "inerrancy", in the various Christian traditions, that you have devoted to finding differences in canons. ;)

    Here is a starting point: Biblical inerrancy - Wikipedia
     
  6. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    (There's gotta be a canon/cheap-shot joke here somewhere.)
     
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  7. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking of the fundamentalist notion of plenary verbal inspiration.
     
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    exchemist Well-Known Member

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    Ah I see.

    My view of that is it is ridiculous - but then you knew that already, I suspect. ;)
     
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    I think they all are correct, because I don’t know any contradiction in them. If some of them don’t have all, it doesn’t mean that the matter it has, is then wrong, it just is shorter. Many, if not all, of the letters are just explanatory for the Gospel and therefore not absolutely necessary.
     
  10. Good-Ole-Rebel

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    The canonization of the inspired letters and epistles of the New Testament became necessary as there were other letters and epistles written that were not inspired. The early Church was instructed always to stay true to that faith that had been given them by the apostle's. Thus the need to know which were inspired.

    Plus, the early Church endured much persecution. Part of that persecution could involve denying certain things written or else torture and death. Or, if such letters were found in their possession they could be killed or imprisoned. Thus the Christians needed to know which letters were inspired so that they would not be tortured needlessly for a letter that was not.

    Plus, earlier, there were those who claimed a canon of their own making, such as Marcion, which excluded much of the New Testament and all of the Old.

    So, the inspiration of Scripture, meaning it is God-breathed, it has the voice of God in it, is the determining factor as to what is to be included in the Canon of Scripture.

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  11. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

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    You seem to have missed my point. At different points in history, different groups of Christians had different collections of Scripture. Were they all God-breathed?
     
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    No. As I said, Marcion had a canon of his own. And it contained inspired books. But he rejected many others. His basis for rejection was simply his own opinion what should be inspired.

    The only inspired books from God are the 66 books of the Bible. The only written word of God on earth is the 66 books of the Bible.

    I don't think I missed your point.

    Good-Ole-Rebel
     
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    The original writings were inerrant.
    We do have strong manuscripts and virtually have a very good idea what the original was like.

    Marcion was seen as outside the scope of orthodoxy and not viewed as a Christian position and rejected by the church and for good reason, he considered the God of the new and old testaments different which Jesus did believe the Old Testament and would not have seen eye to eye with Marcion.
     
  14. Subduction Zone

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    Why do you believe that? You have no original writings to base that claim upon. And since the Bible has some very gross errors it appears that you believe it changed quite a bit.
     
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    God enforced that genuine Canon, Satan can create the counterfeit such as all other religions. That's the situation by the assumption that the Christianity God is a truth. If you can't tell the difference, there's a reason behind that. Regardless God will go His own way to save His own people.
     
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    Which cannon is that? Looking at the chart of cannons in the OP link HERE there are several to choose from.

    And that reason is what?

    Who are his "own people"?

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