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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Theo102, Feb 9, 2020.

  1. Theo102

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    Who is he?
     
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    Not quite sure what else you want me to say? Words are not their meanings. The word diablos is not in any Hebrew scripture. This commandment has nothing to do with any devil and everything to do with not giving a false testimony.

    Where? What does giving false witness testimony have to do with the devil?
     
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    False witness against someone is slander. Devil is a translation of diablos, which means slanderer.
     
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    I know a bloke whose username is Tumah.

    At face value, tumah means impure in Hebrew.

    If I take the Surah An-Nisa, it must be talking about Tumah! Even though it's in a different language from Hebrew and talking about something that has nothing to do with him, it must be about him because his name Tumah can mean impure and this surah mentions impurity!

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    You are not Jewish yet you are trying to tell Jews what Hebrew and Judaism really mean.
     
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    Why would I care that you think so?
     
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    By all means don't. If you start caring there is no foolhardy ways for me to laugh at.
     
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    No, this is literally exactly what you're doing. You are taking a word that does not exist in Hebrew, is nowhere in the text you're using, and trying to shoehorn it in to any sentence that vaguely mentions something associated with that word. If you think my example was stupid, welcome to precisely what you're doing in this thread.
     
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    So according to you, "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" only vaguely mentions slander?
     
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    We were not talking about slander, we were talking about the devil. It's in the title of this thread and in your OP. What you're doing is taking 'The devil = slander = don't bear false witness = slander = devil' which is completely absurd. You first have to prove there is a devil in Tanakh. I'm waiting for you to do this. And even then, this verse is pretty straightforward in its application and as usual you're shoehorning in something that's not there.
     
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    As posted before, in the NT the word devil is a translation of diablos, which means slanderer. Slander is what the devil does, according to the meanings of the words.
     
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    I don't care what the Christian texts say; you can't superimpose those foreign meanings onto the Hebrew scriptures that have none of these words or concepts. Neither the world diabolos nor Christian devil concept is in the Tanakh.
     
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    Since there's no question that I see in the OP, I'll answer the title.

    As I see it, the devil is wherever one chooses to place him.
     
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    "Catholic Church best trick to become billionair, was the invention of Devil and Hell to play people's fear, and the Cross + paying money to solve it" ~ stvdv

    Where's the devil?
    IMHO: Only in the mind of those masochists who choose to believe so
     
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    Language is not about words. Language is about "understanding" ( a position beneath something that gives one a limited perspective ). Some people seem to think their "view" is the only one. If you ask a Japanese person who doesn't speak any English for a glass of "water" , they don't know what you speak of. But they certainly do know (understand) what "water" is.....don't they ?
     
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    Well, you must care what someone thinks. Otherwise there’d have been no point to your replying. :D
     
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    Why would a Jew (or Noahide) care one iota about what the NT says?

    As I understand it, the NT is not a part of their paradigm.
     
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    people slander. think more along the lines of an archetype. in this case, a negative archetype
     
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    Because of the prophets.

    For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
    Hosea 5:14

    The cry of dereliction of the crucified man:

    My El, my El, why hast thou forsaken me[אלי אלי למה עזבתני]? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
    Psalms 22:1

    And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
    Matthew 27:46

    After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
    Hosea 6:2
     
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