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Featured Where was God during the Las Vegas shooting?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by davidor, Oct 3, 2017.

  1. Kemosloby

    Kemosloby Well-Known Member
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    Obviously the devil got into the shooters mind, not God. Probably the mans love of sin, living in sin city as a gambler caused God to be far from him.
     
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    But, that does involve god interfering with the free will of these doctors and EMTs and nurses, or else that would mean god let one person go on a shooting spree without ensuring these "heroes" would be educated in the correct fields to act on that day. If he gave them to us, he had to make sure first that they went to med school.
    When someone does such a thing, there is probably something very wrong and disturbed emotionally within them. For all we know, he may have been an undiagnosed psychopath and something sent him over the edge.
     
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  3. The Ragin Pagan

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    Reasons.

    A better question would be did they both read and understand Job.
     
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    Obviously ... :rolleyes:
     
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    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    Or god was at the next table and the fellow just didn't notice.
     
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    Mohsen السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

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    He was a terrorist, just not the media version! But terrorist, he was!!!
     
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    Thank you, Professor Einstein.
     
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  8. Kemosloby

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    Yeah, well do as I say not as I do is sound advice in that case.
     
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    But it isn't an either-or situation. No version of Isaiah 45:7 says god creates either evil or calamity. And calamity and evil are hardly equal creations.

    Well, I think good gun control laws would be an excellent first step in helping in stop mass murders. As for the rich exploiting the poor, this seems to be part of human nature: the powerful taking advantage of the less powerful. One of those things god has left us with.

    Thanks, big guy

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    I believe that evil causes freewill. If evil didn't exist, then we wouldn't have freewill. Moses asked G-d why bad things happen to good people and G-d responded that this is the one thing that no human can ever comprehend. We can rationalize and speculate, but we will never know. I found the article below to be a good read.

    http://www.aish.com/h/9av/aas/Wrestling-with-Suffering.html
     
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    Why?

    Excuse me! I believe the words we use and their meanings are things humans devise. Not god.

    Unfortunately we don't. We are often at the mercy of the 'whims" of our psychological and physiological make up.

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    None of those heroes stopped the bad guy, even "good guys with guns". There were heroes who helped deal with the victims, but none stopped the bad guy. I don't believe cops should take credit for a death someone else did. Sorry.

    That the hotel let a guy walk up to his room with a frickin' armory was insane, at least.

    If God can kill a guy just for trying to hold up a heavy golden box, I'm sure He has the ability to stop such things.

    That's the problem with the bible: gives God superpowers, forgets them when Plot Contrivance demands.

    The more humanity forgets that causing a ton of undeserved deaths is wrong, the more we can't have nice things.

    I think we define it that way instead of "terrorism is to create terror" (which it certainly did) to ensure certain types of criminals (WASPs) don't get labeled "terrorists".

    ISIS would claim credit for hurricanes. They are desperate for attention.

    Caring and capable are two different things. I suspect we have greatly overestimated God's powers. Ancient gods and goddesses had limited "jurisdictions", as it were.

    Or he could think God told him to do it.

    Try us.
     
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    At this point, it's impossible to label him as anything more than a mass shooter because we don't know his motives. For all we know, he just wanted to kill people and had no motives to qualify him as a terrorist.
     
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    He violently caused terror. That seems ample reason to consider him a terrorist.
     
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    Let's not rob words of their meanings.

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    This is not the case for Christianity is it? Only those who believe in Jesus gets saved as, to God apparently, everybody is evil. Thus, the fate of many of the people who were killed by the shooter but did not believe in Jesus would be the same as the shooter himself, correct?
     
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    Maybe he did think God told him to do it. But if he hadn't loved sin so much instead of God, the devil might not have been in his mind impersonating God.
     
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    As terrorism is defined it means something that is meant to cause something in the populace through fear. It needs motive. If we know he wanted to stop country music, it would be terrorism. The amount of victims doesn't mean anything in defining the acts, it could be 0 or 5000.

    Otherwise we will have to define many things as terror which so far are not and regular criminal gangs as terrorist organizations. I don't know how useful that would be. It would mean the US is full of terrorist attacks, perhaps daily.

    If it were true, then there would be a motive and some reason to define it as terrorism. So far, it's the only possible motive presented that I've seen that would make it terrorism.
     
  19. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Just the cops that burnished the shooter, forcing him to kill himself because he was a coward.

    Ok you might have a point there.;)
     
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    From your website.

    Complete freedom requires complete access to good and evil. In other words, evil enables free will to exist, thus even evil serves the ultimate cause of good.
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    One word: Asinine.

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