Where Religion & Science Meet: From Global Warming/Climate Change to Global Sunday Laws

[SDRAmerica]

Hateful anti-Catholic garbage.

Bible prophecy says that the Roman Catholic Church will get her mark enforced. Her Sunday Sabbath is admittedly independent of the Bible Scriptures. As a Bible believer, the true Sabbath is not on Sunday, but from Friday Sunset to Saturday Sunset.

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov. 11, 1895

"Sunday is our MARK or authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

"Sunday...It is the law of the Catholic Church alone..." American Sentinel (Catholic) June 1893

“The Catholic church,” declared Cardinal Gibbons, “by virtue of her divine mission changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.” Catholic Mirror Sept. 23 1983. (Official organ of Cardinal Gibbons)

"Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles .... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." (Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August, 1990.)

The Bible says:

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

As a Christian, we must make the choice whether we will make the Bible supreme, or the words of men.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Bible prophecy says that the Roman Catholic Church will get her mark enforced. Her Sunday Sabbath is admittedly independent of the Bible Scriptures. As a Bible believer, the true Sabbath is not on Sunday, but from Friday Sunset to Saturday Sunset.

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov. 11, 1895

"Sunday is our MARK or authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

"Sunday...It is the law of the Catholic Church alone..." American Sentinel (Catholic) June 1893

“The Catholic church,” declared Cardinal Gibbons, “by virtue of her divine mission changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.” Catholic Mirror Sept. 23 1983. (Official organ of Cardinal Gibbons)

"Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles .... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." (Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August, 1990.)

The Bible says:

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

As a Christian, we must make the choice whether we will make the Bible supreme, or the words of men.

Well, you've certainly demonstrated that you can pull random quotes out of context, as well as promote hysteria. Well done, I guess?

 

[SDRAmerica]

Well, you've certainly demonstrated that you can pull random quotes out of context, as well as promote hysteria. Well done, I guess?

You call it hysteria, yet your own Pope wants the very Sunday laws that you are declaring I am hysterical about.

The next National Justice and Peace Network of England and Wales annual conference will be held on 21-23 July and take the theme: A Sabbath for the Earth and the Poor: The challenge of Pope Francis.

Booking now: NJPN Conference - 'The Challenge of Pope Francis'

The Pope himself wrote about Sunday as a commonly shared weekly day of rest in his encyclical "Laudato Si". And lo and behold, there are numerous (edited out countless, put numerous) articles showing the promotion of Sunday as the Sabbath, as a helpful way to deal with the climate and the poor.

 

[metis]

The 10 Commandments do not only belong to the Jews. The 10 Commandments are the very standard of character that everyone must have. Sin is only defined as the transgression of the law. And Christ did not come to destroy the law, or the prophets.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The 10 Commandments were given at Sinai to us Jews along with the other 603 Commandments as found in Torah: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) At no point in our long history was it ever incumbent upon gentiles to follow Jewish Law with the exception of those laws used to form what we can call "civil law"-- iow, basic laws necessary for a society to operate from.

BTW, Jesus said that the Law "ended with John" [the Baptist], so maybe you might consider looking that up.

 

[SDRAmerica]

The 10 Commandments were given at Sinai to us Jews along with the other 603 Commandments as found in Torah: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) At no point in our long history was it ever incumbent upon gentiles to follow Jewish Law with the exception of those laws used to form what we can call "civil law"-- iow, basic laws necessary for a society to operate from.

BTW, Jesus said that the Law "ended with John" [the Baptist], so maybe you might consider looking that up.

Yes.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

But the very next verse says:

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

The law is eternal; It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the law to fail.

Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

But even though heaven and earth shall pass away, the law shall not pass away. As a matter of fact, when the new heavens and the new earth come, the same Sabbath will be kept:

Isaiah 66:22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

The popular doctrine of the Sabbath passing away, is untrue. The 7th Day Sabbath is eternal, just like every other commandments.

 

[metis]

The popular doctrine of the Sabbath passing away, is untrue. The 7th Day Sabbath is eternal, just like every other commandments.

But it wasn't mandated for non-Jews and never has been. If some want to follow it, that's their choice.

BTW, the issue of Jesus vis-a-vis the Law is more likely based on his very liberal interpretation that the Law was primarily given by God in order to create a more compassionate and just society and, eventually, world. If need be, I can explain why this I believe that this was his drift.

 

[SDRAmerica]

But it wasn't mandated for non-Jews and never has been. If some want to follow it, that's their choice.

BTW, the issue of Jesus vis-a-vis the Law is more likely based on his very liberal interpretation that the Law was primarily given by God in order to create a more compassionate and just society and, eventually, world. If need be, I can explain why this I believe that this was his drift.

Isaiah 56:2-3 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

Isaiah 56:6-7 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

It is incorrect to state the Sabbath was not for the stranger. That very fact is not only explained here in Isaiah, but also explained in the law, that the "stranger within thy gates" was also to keep the Sabbath. The strangers who join themselves to God are to keep the Sabbath, from polluting that holy day. And those who keep the Sabbath, God will bring to His holy mountain, and make them joyful in His house of prayer. As for burnt offerings, and sacrifices, remember what God said:

Psalms 51:16-17 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Ok. while I agree that the anthropogenic global warming movement is run by the baddies, what do they have to gain by influencing those who believe in God, to honor God on the first day of the week rather than the seventh day? For the truly religious, God is honored always in the heart, the outward ritual and ceremony is for fellowship and development of self discipline. The Sumerian/Babylonian period introduced the laws pertaining to the seventh day, it was quite compassionate and appropriate for the time, that all masters of households must give a day of rest to all their beasts of burden and human slaves in the seventh day of the week. This is around three thousand years BC.

 

[metis]

Whether one follows the Tanakh, the New Testament, the Qur'an, or any combination of the above, there is the requirement of compassion and justice, more so than just saying words or observing rituals, although the latter two are also at least somewhat important.

 

[SDRAmerica]

Ok. while I agree that the anthropogenic global warming movement is run by the baddies, what do they have to gain by influencing those who believe in God, to honor God on the first day of the week rather than the seventh day? For the truly religious, God is honored always in the heart, the outward ritual and ceremony is for fellowship and development of self discipline. The Sumerian/Babylonian period introduced the laws pertaining to the seventh day, it was quite compassionate and appropriate for the time, that all masters of households must give a day of rest to all their beasts of burden and human slaves in the seventh day of the week. This is around three thousand years BC.

Satan wants to be God. He uses men, and instills men with his principles. These people want to be worshipped, and want everyone to bow down to their own sabbath, instead of God's. It's literally a worship/pride thing.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Satan wants to be God. He uses men, and instills men with his principles. These people want to be worshipped, and want everyone to bow down to their own sabbath, instead of God's. It's literally a worship/pride thing.

Agree with the first sentence, but it does not matter if those who are deceived do their worship of that which they imagine 'God' to be, on the day of Saturn or the day of the Sun, for they are deceived regardless. Those who are deceived do not know or believe they are worshiping Satan.

 

[Darkstorn]

Funny. There are many threads about conspiracies regarding climate change. In fact, there's one here that claims its done by godless socialists. And this one claims it's done by the catholics.

So which one is it?

 

[SDRAmerica]

Agree with the first sentence, but it does not matter if those who are deceived do their worship of that which they imagine 'God' to be, on the day of Saturn or the day of the Sun, for they are deceived regardless. Those who are deceived do not know or believe they are worshiping Satan.

The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people. Satan too, has a sign between him and his people. And his sign is the (SUN)day sabbath. There are many Christians and other people who yet do not understand this, and God winks at their ignorance. But soon the truth of the matter will be laid out plainly before all.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people. Satan too, has a sign between him and his people. And his sign is the (SUN)day sabbath. There are many Christians and other people who yet do not understand this, and God winks at their ignorance. But soon the truth of the matter will be laid out plainly before all.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

There is nothing wrong in veneration of the Sun as the life giver to the world, it is not only a religious tradition in many parts of the world, it is a scientific fact. You should be more concerned about atheists as being those who are lost to darkness, and who do not venerate any higher spiritual authority on any days of the week..

 

[jonathan180iq]

 

[SDRAmerica]

There is nothing wrong in veneration of the Sun as the life giver to the world, it is not only a religious tradition in many parts of the world, it is a scientific fact. You should be more concerned about atheists as being those who are lost to darkness, and who do not venerate any higher spiritual authority on any days of the week..

There is something completely wrong with the veneration of the sun as the life giver to the world. All things rely on God, for God is the Life-Giver of all things. Not even the sun, in all it's beauty and glory, could for a second continue to do it's work without the power of God behind it. All things rely on their Creator, who calls His creatures to keep holy His 7th Day Sabbath, which gives glory to Him in that day.

 

[metis]

"Veneration" is not the same as "worship" and is something one may show "respect" for.

 

[SDRAmerica]

"Veneration" is not the same as "worship" and is something one may show "respect" for.

When you do the things contained in the Scriptures, such as bowing down before it, and serving it, then you are worshipping it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There is something completely wrong with the veneration of the sun as the life giver to the world. All things rely on God, for God is the Life-Giver of all things. Not even the sun, in all it's beauty and glory, could for a second continue to do it's work without the power of God behind it. All things rely on their Creator, who calls His creatures to keep holy His 7th Day Sabbath, which gives glory to Him in that day.

That's fine, but there is more to religious practice for non-Jews than observe the seventh day as a day of rest. Besides, I've already posted that the seventh day of rest came from the Babylonian/Sumerian tradition, and was a merciful law for the benefit for man and animals, in that it was required that masters provide them rest at least one day of the week, the seventh day. Jesus reinforces that truth in his saying in Mark 2:27-28 Then Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath."

 

[metis]

When you do the things contained in the Scriptures, such as bowing down before it, and serving it, then you are worshipping it.

C'mon, that's complete nonsense. "Worship" involves praying to god(s) as if they were alive, thus typically expecting something back in return. Catholic theology prohibits such an "exchange" with statuary.

IMO, it is unethical for you to make the absurd and clearly incorrect charges that you are making, and if your church is telling you that this is right and proper, then maybe check out some other churches that don't tell such whopping distortions of reality, OK?

I am not Catholic nor Christian, but when someone comes here and spews malicious falsehoods about another faith, that should not be tolerated because it lacks even basic ethics.