3rdAngel
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Lets be honest dear friend. I have not posted any theories. I have only posted scripture that are Gods Words not my words that are in disagreement with your words that are not Gods Words and you simply choose not to believe them because your seek to justify sin defined in the scriptures as the transgression of Gods law. Your post here does not make any sense here because it does not follow biblical time given to us by God in Genesis 1:1-31 on a seven day continuous weekly cycle given to us by God in Genesis 1:1-31. So your theory here completely disregards scripture. Why would we follow the Egyptians 10 day week cycle when God tells us there is a seven day weekly cycle in creation and commands us to keep the seventh day as a holy day of rest? That only shows unbelief in Gods Word and does not make any sense.If Pharoah humbled himself before God and decided to celebrate the Sabbath, then his Sabbath, IF HE IS FOLLOWING THE BIBLICAL COMMAND, will ROTATE according to the Egyptians' 10 DAY week. This allows it to fall on ANY day according to the Hebrew calendar. The Romans also had a 10 day week before they switched to a 7 day week. If they had been following the word of God, then their Sabbath Day would have rotated just like the Egyptians. Even so, it may have not have fell on the same day, as the Egyptians may have started on a different day then the Romans! If your theory of a "universal observance of the Sabbath starting with creation" is correct, it's not the DAY the Sabbath is celebrated, but only that the Sabbath be celebrated every 7th day that is important. So celebrating a Sabbath on a Monday or Tuesday would not make their Sabbath celebration ungodly, it would simply make it correct according to their calendar and culture. So, if the Sabbath is for all mankind as you claim, then we can expect the Sabbath to fall on various days of the week, depending on that culture's weekly calendar.
According to the scriptures there is seven days in a week (see Genesis 1:1-31; Genesis 2:1-3). The time period for a creative day is defined in Genesis 1:1-5 where it is stated that the darkness and the light make up the first day. So your claims here are not based on what the scriptures say. The Jew associate a day starting from sunset to sunset because that is what the scriptures state in Genesis 1. It is true that the Jews were not present at creation. However God was present at creation and God gave the creation account in Genesis to Moses to give to His people.Does 7 creation days = a 7 day week? Creation in 7 days would NOT mean 7 days are a week. It would simply mean that God created the universe in LESS than a week, if your week is 10 days, and that it took him a little MORE than a week, if your week happens to be 5. The time period for a creative day is simply undefined period in scripture. We know the Jews associate a "day" as the period of sunset to sunset, but it does not mean God views a "day" as the same. So it could mean the Jewish sunset to sunset, but it doesn't have to mean the Jewish sunset to sunset, and Israel did not exist at the time of creation.
No. That claims is not true at all. My posts shared in this OP are what the scriptures say word for word. What is it from the scriptures that have been quoted to you in my posts you refuse to address or respond to that you disagree with. Lets discuss them in detail as our salvation depends on if we believe and follow what Gods Word says and I am sure none of us want to be of the group Jesus says "depart from me you who work iniquity (sin), I never knew you" (Matthew 7:21-23). Our discussion would be more profitable if you would address my post content and the scriptures provided in them that are in disagreement with you rather than ignoring them and micro-quoting my posts without addressing anything in my posts that have been shared with you. As posted earlier, according to the scriptures there is seven days in a week stated in Genesis (see Genesis 1:1-31; Genesis 2:1-3). The time period for a creative day is defined in Genesis 1:1-5 where it is stated that the darkness and the light make up the first day. So your claims here are not based on what the scriptures say. Your argument that the seventh day is not from sunset Friday our time to sunset Saturday our time is not supported in scripture or history. Gods people including Jesus and all the Apostles have been keeping the Sabbath for over 4000 years. So I think they know what day is the seventh day of the week and what day the creation Sabbath starts and ends.Your argument is based ENTIRELY on following Jewish culture, but a biblical day is not based on Jewish culture, it is based on the WORD OF GOD. The word of God does not define the term "week", it does not define what the first day or last day of a "week" is. However, it does tell us how the Jews adopted the word of God to their calendar. This may seem trivial, but it's important. If we are to be Judeo-centric, then we must follow the Hebrew calendar. Christians will spiritually point to Jerusalem much the same way Muslims physically point to Mecca. However, if we are God -centric, then it's pretty clear each culture is free to use its own calendar, allowing the 1st and 7th day to start and fall where they may. Do you see and understand the difference here? I'm not arguing against a 7 day week, nor am I saying a 7 day week is incorrect. I'm just saying a 7 day week that falls on Saturday is not compelled.
Sorry I am not following what you are saying here. What has no basis in fact? The OP is asking for scripture that says that Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. - There is none. You are only making my point here that people followed man-made teachings and traditions that have led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. History also proves that Gods people have been keeping God 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath from the days of Jesus unbroken to this present day. Still the fact remains and question remains. Who do we believe and follow; God or men? There is not a single scripture in all the bible that says Gods 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus now is there!Almost, but not quite correct. The Lord's Day is NOT a reference to "Sunday worship". When you say "Sunday worship" it is easy for critics like 2ndPillar to disparage the Christian church as worshiping Sunday and to make false associations with "the day of the sun" and bring in nonsense about Constantine It's a favored argument of Sabbath keepers, but has no basis in fact. Scripture clearly shows that Christians held their convocation on the first day of the week in honor of Christ's resurrection. The celebration continues up to the present day.
This section of your post only supports what my OP is saying. Notice here that you have not provided a single scripture, that says that Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. - There is none. You are only making my point here that people followed man-made teachings and traditions that have led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. History also proves that Gods people have been keeping God 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath from the days of Jesus unbroken to this present day. All you have posted here are the teachings and traditions of men that did not believe or follow what Gods Word says in order to justify sin defined in the scriptures as breaking Gods law (see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 1 John 3:4). The early Church was made up of both Jewish and Gentile believers and yes they all kept the Sabbath just like Jesus and the Apostles. Let me ask you again dear friend the question you are avoiding; "Where is the scripture, that says that Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? - There is none!We can see this in the writing of 2nd century Christians Chapter XXVI.—No salvation to the Jews except through Christ. (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, mid 2nd century): And I replied, “I do not say so; but those who have persecuted and do persecute Christ, if they do not repent, shall not inherit anything on the holy mountain. But the Gentiles, who have believed on Him, and have repented of the sins which they have committed, they shall receive the inheritance along with the patriarchs and the prophets, and the just men who are descended from Jacob, even although they neither keep the Sabbath, nor are circumcised, nor observe the feasts. Assuredly they shall receive the holy inheritance of God. For God speaks by Isaiah thus: ‘I, the Lord God, have called Thee in righteousness, and will hold Thine hand, and will strengthen Thee; and I have given Thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles, to open the eyes of the blind, to bring out them that are bound from the chains, and those who sit in darkness from the prison-house.’2013 And again: ‘Lift up a standard2014 for the people; for, lo, the Lord has made it heard unto the end of the earth. Say ye to the daughters of Zion, Behold, thy Saviour has come; having His reward, and His work before His face: and He shall call it a holy nation, redeemed by the Lord. (Justin Martyr)
Cyprian (~210 - 258 AD), born a pagan to a wealth family, who later converted. became a bishop in Carthage, and died a martyr because he would not denounce Christ and accept the Roman gods, says this:
For in respect of the observance of the eighth day of the Jewish circumcision of the flesh, a sacrament was given beforehand in shadow and in usage; but when Christ came, it was fulfilled in truth. For because the eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, was to be that on which the Lord should rise again, and should quicken us, and give us circumcision of the spirit, the eighth day, that is the first day after the Sabbath, and the Lord's Day, went before in the figure; which figure ceased when by and by the truth came and spiritual circumcision was given to us — Cyprian, Letter LVIII
So the Lord's Day is the early Church's reference to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, which just happened to fall on the 1st day of the week, which we associate with Sunday. And as Justyn Martyr points out, these gentile Christians did not keep the Sabbath, were not circumcised, and did not observe the feast, even though they were free to do so.
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