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Where Is The Kingdom Of God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by verita, Aug 18, 2006.

  1. may

    may Well-Known Member

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    when Jesus spoke about a little flock ,he also spoke about OTHER SHEEP these are the sheep that will inherit the earth, they are not of the fold of the little flock, but they both have one shepherd. Jesus christ
    "And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring."—John 10:16. these are the ones spoken of in revelation 7;9-10 and they are from all nations and they are welcoming Jesus as their king .
     
  2. verita

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    Joh 10:6 Jesus spoke this parable to them, but they did not understand what it was which He spoke to them.
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    And I have other sheep who are not of this fold. I must also lead those, and they shall hear My voice, and there shall be one flock, one Shepherd.
    I added John 10:6 to let you know that John 10:16 is included in the parable. The other sheep mentioned "who are not in this fold" are the offspring of Israel who scattered all over the Globe because their Shepherd did not spiritually feed them. They were called the Jews. Jews spread northward, eastward and southward from Israel. However most of them wandered in Europe and married different nationalities. Their offspring scattered further in Africa, Asia and had even reach North and South America
    . They are called now by the Bible as Gentiles. I saw once the film “Feedlers on the roof” and I love watching that movie, they are examples of the wandering Jews.

    Please read the whole chapter 34 of Ezekiel and you will understand the meaning of the parable of the lost sheep.
    Eze 34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my sheep were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and there was none that did search or seek after them.

    For me, I believe that I am one of the lost sheep. I am sure you are one because you love to read the words of God in the Bible. I am very sure in the U.S. and Canada there are so many lost sheep of Israel. The lost sheep will be included in the verse you mentioned in Rev 7:9-10 if you’re lucky enough to find the Kingdom of God.
    Joh 8:47
    He that is of God heareth the words of God: for this cause ye hear them not, because ye are not of God.


    Rev 7:9 After these things I looked, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palms in their hands.
    Rev 7:10
    And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb.
    This is absolute true because the lost sheep of Israel were scattered in the face of the Earth.


    However they are no longer called Israel but Christians.
    Act 11:26 and when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that even for a whole year they were gathered together with the church, and taught much people, and that the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.


    God bless you May.
     
  3. may

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    The book of Revelation shows that the total number of SPIRITUAL ISRAEL is 144,000, all of whom are depicted with the Lamb, Jesus Christ, on heavenly Mount Zion. Along with Christ, they would be kings and priests in heaven. (Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-4; 20:6) Included among them would be individuals who had been associated with the congregations in Thessalonica and elsewhere, whatever their racial or national background.—Acts 10:34, 35.
    The little flock of sheep to whom the heavenly Kingdom is to be given and who are to reign with the Fine Shepherd, Jesus Christ, in that Kingdom is to number only 144,000 spiritual Israelites.—Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-5.
    He is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code." (2:28, 29) many things have already happened regarding the spiritual israelites ,. but now the gathering of the other sheep is well and truly going on . they are being gathered from all nations ,all over the world . and they are in unity of thought with the little flock of spiritual israel. yes, its all happening in this time that we are living in right now . and the book of revelation is well and truly being opened up and revealed
     
  4. verita

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    Rev 22:18 For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book.

    Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.

    The Book of Revelation is full of mysteries. God have strong warning about it. I don't want to say too much about the Book of Revelation because I might misled the readers of this thread.

    Be carefull if you cannot explain exactly what is written in that Book.

    You have been mentioning the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel that receives the seal. Maybe you did not notice that the tribe of Dan who is one of the son of Jacob or Israel is not included.

    God bless you.

     
  5. may

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    the 144,000 are from all nations and tribes of the earth, they are SPIRITUAL ISRAELITES, not fleshly israelites,
    Ephraim and Dan do not appear among the twelve tribes of spiritual Israel.
     
  6. verita

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    Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
    Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
    Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
    Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
    Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
    Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
    Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

    You see 12 tribes multiplied by 12,000 = 144,000 from every tribes of Israel. The rest in Revelation 7:9 are those outside of Israel. They are called Gentiles. Who told you that these are Spiritual Israel?

    That is why GOD put this warning…
    Rev 22:18
    For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


    God bless you.
     
  7. may

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    the bible, based on accurate understanding.
    Yes, being accepted into spiritual Israel did not depend upon a certain national or ethnic background. Some, such as Jesus’ apostles, were natural Jews. Others, such as the Roman army officer Cornelius, were uncircumcised Gentiles. (Acts 10:34, 35, 44-48) Paul correctly said regarding spiritual Israel: "There is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, foreigner, Scythian, slave, freeman." (Colossians 3:11) Those anointed by God’s spirit became "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession."—1 Peter 2:9; compare Exodus 19:5, 6. the nation of fleshly jews did not listen to Jehovahs voice they rejected his representative Jesus christ. and the bible book of revelation is symbolic, yes in exodus it says IF YOU LISTEN TO MY VOICE
     
  8. verita

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    I think this is not the right thread to discuss the 144,000. I have seen the thread regarding the 144,000 and we go there to discuss it according to the bible.

    God bless you.
     
  9. Genna

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    What about all the talk about the golden streets and pearly gates mentioned somewhere in the bible, that's not literal? isn't there a passage in the bible where it speaks of heaven coming down to earth? I think that some tend to over-spiritualize certain texts of the bible and some take certain texts of the bible too literally. I think the context of the entire chapter determines its meaning just as with all books! I thought heaven was a real place with beauty beyond that which we can imagine, I guess I was wrong!:(
     
  10. choirboy

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    Heaven.
    You've got to have some reason to tow the line, turn up to church and convince others to join.

    Its the same story.
    Hook them with a sophisticated philosophical perspective add a belief system about the nature of reality and keep them in the fold with the promise of eternal happiness through enlightenment or heaven.

    Its the medeival version of self help. Like todays self help courses nobody's ever able to make them work. Does it ever occur to anyone that perfection does not even exist.

    Heaven is the reward for perfect behaviour. It is a state of mind that is obtained by removing all desires and being humble. Buddhists obtain it by following the 8 fold path.
     
  11. Genna

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    WOW! interesting! atheism and religion, atheists believe their right and so do those who adhere to their faith. I really don't know what to believe here on RF. Atheists cannot absolutely prove that there [isn't] a God, unless you have all the knowledge in the universe. And Muslims, Christians, Urantians and all other religions can't absolutely prove that there [is] a God.
     
  12. verita

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    Our Lord Jesus Christ said the Kingdom of God is within the Pharisees…
    Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
    Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

    John the Baptist calls them…
    Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

    And our Lord Jesus Christ also called the Pharisees serpents and vipers…
    Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
    Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    The generations of vipers are the deceivers and they are the disciples of satan or the devil. How come that the kingdom of God is also within those Pharisees?

    It needs righteousness of God to answer this problem.
    :)

    God bless you.
     
  13. Genna

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    The Kingdom of God is in us? What does that mean? What happens to those who believe in God after they are dead? where do they go?
     
  14. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    It has everything to do with the HEART.
     
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    Amen to that.
     
  16. verita

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    :jam:The statement is correct but not that simple to explain.

    It is true that the Kingdom of God is within us. However most humans are not aware of it or if they are aware they disregard it because the god of this world (satan) is working on every humans 24 hours a day / seven days a week.

    That’s why most humans could not see the kingdom of God.
    2Co 4:4 in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving ones, so that the light of the glorious gospel of Christ (who is the image of God) should not dawn on them. [MKJV]

    The kingdom of God is spiritual. It can not be seen by our literal eye.
    Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

    Those who want to see the TRUTH they must open their eyes to overcome the power of satan.
    Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    What eyes should we open?
    Eph 1:18 Then, with the eyes of your hearts enlightened, you will know the hope of his calling, the riches of his glorious inheritance among the saints,

    Remember the TRUTH is God’s work and LIE is a work of satan.
    Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.

    Please read all my post. You will see more TRUTH there including what happened to humans when they die and where they go.



    God bless you.
     
  17. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Yes, it is that simple. God is love. If you love, you are of God. Anyone who says different is the real liar.
     
  18. verita

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    Mat 15:17 Perceive ye not, that whatsoever goeth into the mouth passeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
    Mat 15:18 But the things which proceed out of the mouth come forth out of the heart; and they defile the man.
    Mat 15:19For out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, railings:
    Mat 15:20 these are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not the man.

    That simple?
    The human heart is the source of evil thoughts, etc.
     
  19. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    I am sorry you have a bad heart... I had mine transplanted when I was reborn.

    Romans 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. NIV

    II Corinthians 1:21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. NIV

    II Corinthians 3:1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everybody. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. NIV

    Of course you might be like a lot of Christians who either don't believe in Grace or who simply don't understand it. Then again, you just may not have the Spirit living in your heart. Either way, the heart was meant to be restored to a relationship with God, and not mistrusted for all eternity.
     
  20. verita

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    Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

    God bless you
     
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