Where is Mount Sumeru?

[Native]

1. Dimensions' :

There seems to be a big disconnect on the dimensions of this mountain in various ancient texts:

The concept of a Meru mountain at the north pole, also called Sumeru mountain, is found in the Mahabharata, Puranas, Jain Cosmology and in Aryabhatta. Using the Aryabhatiyan scale for yojanas, the dimensions of Meru are:

Mahabharata : 193 km inside the earth’s surface, 1017 km above.

Puranas : 193776 km inside the earth’s surface, 823548 km above.

Jain Cosmology : 12111 km inside the earth’s surface, 1198989 km above.

Aryabhatta : Cylindrical in shape, of height 12 km and diameter 12 km

Out of the above Aryabhatta's reference seems some what imaginable, while the rest aren't.

Thanks. Why these different numbers of the same object/subject? Aren´t the ancient sources/authors talking of the same object? And how can anybody measure the "height of the North Pole Axis"? This doesn´t seem very likely, does it.

§ 1. Geographical – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Meru#Geographical
The dimensions attributed to Mount Meru, all references to it being as a part of the Cosmic Ocean, with several statements that say, "The Sun along with all the planets circle the mountain," make determining its location most difficult, according to most scholars.
Some researchers identify Mount Meru or Sumeru with the Pamirs, northwest of Kashmir

In the Suryasiddhanta mentions that Mt. Meru lies in 'the middle of the Earth' ("bhurva-madhya") in the land of the Jambunad (Jambudvip). Narpatijayacharyā, a ninth-century text, based on mostly unpublished texts of Yāmal Tantr, mentions "Sumeruḥ Prithvī-madhye shrūyate drishyate na tu" ('Su-meru is heard to be in the middle of the Earth, but is not seen there'). Vārāhamihira, in his Panch-siddhāntikā, claims Mt. Meru to be at the North Pole (though no mountain exists there). Suryasiddhānt, however, mentions a Mt. Meru in the middle of Earth, besides a Sumeru and a Kumeru at both the Poles.

The term, "the Cosmic Ocean", what does that mean? And we have to find a mountain, around which "The Sun along with all the planets circle".

If there is uncertainty about the Earth Axis numbers and they possibly cannot describe the North Pole, we have to find another center around which the Solar system orbits.

Ancient myths (of Creation) is to me real cosmological knowledge, so IMO we of course can use all the available measurements and observations of modern astronomy and cosmology.

The mythical term, "The Primeval Waters" represents to me the vaste void in the Universe. (Modern science have measured "the heavenly waters" to contain about 99 % hydrogen and helium (and other gaseous elements) = "watery elements" and the rest is "metallic elements".

When these elements are set in motions in the creation stories, this motion creates "rivers in the Sky", as for instants the Milky Way River. This Milky Way River can be observed in the night Sky as a whitish vaulting band in the darker period of the seasons, seemingly revolving around the pole star like the other stars. Link - http://www.native-science.net/NorthPole.Centre.htm

So here ve have a connection to the celestial Cosmic Ocean in the myth as well as to the celestial pole or Earth axis.

The only question left is the measurement of the height of this axis of rotation. How would you measure the height of this axis? Besides this, one cannot physically observe the sun and all the planets around the Earth axis. And the geographical interpretation of "the sun and all planets orbiting a terrestrial montain" should be abandoned as impossible.

I think we have to set our focus on the Milky Way River and its mythical telling.

 

[Native]

Hello,
OBS! I forgot to mention THIS in my opening post:

I claim some scholarly misinterpretations in the Myths of Creation:

1. There is a significant scholarly confusion between interpreting the Sun and the luminous Central Light of the Milky Way. (The Light issue).
2. There is scholarly confusion beteen the interpretation of the Moon and the crescent shape of the Milky Way. (The Lunar Crescent issue)

This shall IMO be taken into consideration when analyzing the ancient Mytho-Cosmological telling’s.

 

[niru9669]

Alright, some more data here. Mount Meru is in the center of Jambudvipa and to the north of Bharatha varsha (read earth);

Now whay exactly is Jambudvipa ?

Here's some interesting reference to Jambudvipa to Pushkaradvipa, the 7 islands of Bhumandal, each dvipa (island) associated with a planet's orbit in 4th/5th dimension in our Solar system;

(Need to do manual parse in the link below)

http://btg.iskcondesiretree.com/Bac...6/294_-_BTG_Year-1996_Volume-30_Number-06.pdf

(This is without images)
http://www.thespiritualscientist.com/2012/01/advanced-astronomy-in-the-shrimad-bhagavatam/

Happy Reading !

 

[Native]

Happy Reading !

Thank you
Jambudvipa - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambudvipa#Puranic_description_as_per_Vedic_cosmology

Quote:
” According to Puranic cosmography, the entire Cosmos is divided into seven concentric island continents (sapta-dvipa vasumati) separated by the seven encircling oceans, each double the size of the preceding one (going out from within). The seven continents of the Puranas are stated as Jambudvipa, Plaksadvipa, Salmalidvipa, Kusadvipa, Krouncadvipa, Sakadvipa, and Pushkaradvipa. Seven intermediate oceans consist of salt-water, sugarcane juice, wine, ghee, curd, milk and water respectively”.

Comment:
These seven oceans are of course not oceans in the ordinary human way of understanding. They are allegorical qualitative descriptions of the gaseous matters which fills 99.99 % of the Universe.

Quote:
”Markandeya Purana portrays Jambudvipa as being depressed on its south and north and elevated and broad in the middle. The elevated region forms the varsha named Ila-vrta or Meruvarsha. At the center of Ila-vrta lies the golden Mount Meru, the king of mountains. On the summit of Mount Meru, is the vast city of Lord Brahma, known as Brahmapuri”.

IMO this dscription fits very nicely to this edge on image of the Milky Way - http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/2mgalaxy.jpg

Comment:
Here, Mount Meru is mentioned as being Golden. If Mount Meru should represent the Earth axis and its celestial pole star, I don´t think anyone can claim this to be golden.

But, if looking at the luminous center of the Milky Way, anyone can ascribe a golden color to this central light and its center, Mount Meru, around which the entire Solar System orbits as one unit, as said in several Hindu texts. And as observed by modern science.

 

[Native]

Advanced Astronomy In the Shrimad-Bhagavatam - http://www.thespiritualscientist.com/2012/01/advanced-astronomy-in-the-shrimad-bhagavatam/

§ 1. “At first glance, Bhumandala appears to be a highly artificial portrayal of the earth as an enormous flat disk, with continents and oceans that do not tally with geographical experience. But careful consideration shows that Bhumandala does not really represent the earth at all. To see why, we have to consider the motion of the sun”.

And:
§ 2. “It would appear that advanced astronomical knowledge was developed by some earlier civilization and then lost until recent times. The so-called flat earth of classical antiquity may represent a later misunderstanding of a realistic astronomical concept that dates back to an earlier time and is still preserved within the text of the Shrimad-Bhagavatam”.

§ 1. States a flat disk, NOT representing the Earth.
§ 2. The so called “Flat Earth Theory” of the antiquity is also not dealing with the Earth.

Around the Mount Meru center in this flat disk, our Solar System is orbiting as one unit.

The flattish disk is this- http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/2mgalaxy.jpg - and the “Earth interpretation” derives from a scholarly interpretative confusion in the story of creation where the “first firm soil” and not Earth was created in the center of this disk.

I really don´t see the need to continue this discussion. At least, I cannot contribute with further explanations and interpretations.

 

[Native]

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