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Hi Faust,Faust said:When I was a child, heaven was is the sky, hell was somewhere down in the earth.
For those who believe in this concept, I'm curious to hear your idea of a physical locality for heaven and hell.
Faust.
michel said:[For me, heaven and hell don't exist. You can feel as if you are in hell, or feel as if you are in heaven - depending on your conscience.
I do believe though in reincarnation, and a spirit world - for me that is where we are, but in a dimension or frequency that we are unaware of, as humans./QUOTE]
Thank you for your response Michel.
I was expecting a myriad of possibilities in reply to this question. I'm not looking to refute anyones beliefs. I'm glad that you have not taken that line. From what time I have been able to visit this sight I have formed the opinion that you and many others here are open to discuss a wide range of religious and secular topics.
I can only hope for further interest in this thread as I believe it could lead to a very interesting exchange of ideas.
Faust.
Faust said:You're welcome; I do know that there are some who will scoff at my beliefs, but I am comfortable enough with the beliefs for that not to bother me.michel said:[For me, heaven and hell don't exist. You can feel as if you are in hell, or feel as if you are in heaven - depending on your conscience.
I do believe though in reincarnation, and a spirit world - for me that is where we are, but in a dimension or frequency that we are unaware of, as humans./QUOTE]
Thank you for your response Michel.
I was expecting a myriad of possibilities in reply to this question. I'm not looking to refute anyones beliefs. I'm glad that you have not taken that line. From what time I have been able to visit this sight I have formed the opinion that you and many others here are open to discuss a wide range of religious and secular topics.
I can only hope for further interest in this thread as I believe it could lead to a very interesting exchange of ideas.
Faust.
Yor last statement is all about the Forum - an exchange of ideas, in mutually respected company. (Unfortunately that is not always the case, but Ideals are not called ideals for nothing!)
Can you back that up with scipture?SarahBeara said:My personal belief is that there is no physical location of heaven. I believe that the physical world exists because God created it, and when we die, we leave this physical plane. I don't know where we go from there, but it's some place where we are close to God, aka heaven.
No I cannot. I haven't read the bible a whole lot, so I'm not even sure what the bible says about the location of heaven.robtex said:Can you back that up with scipture?
Lol, i dunno. I think a lot of that sort of stuff, hierarchy of angels etc isn't in the bible anyway, it was made up/divinely inspired by later scholars.robtex said:Halcyon I just went to biblegateway.com and ran some of the words through their search engine on the NIV version of the Bible. The two angels of the 7 th heaven zeburial and turtbebial are not in there nor is the word Cassiel which is the angel said to rule that heaven. I didn't find:
shamayim or shamain in the first heaven
raquia or raqia in the 2nd
sagun or shehaquim in the 3rd either in a search.
I did find the word zebul (6th heaven) but he was a human governer of a city called shechem and is mentioned in judges 9:30.
The 4th heaven interestingly is called machen which is german for make . There was no german text of the bible until the gutternberg from my understanding which was written in the 1400's.
Yiddish and german sound really similar but yiddish is associated with judaism which from my understanding, has no belief in heaven.
I am thining that webpage did not use the bible as a source for its info.