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Where does Donald Trump stand on the issue of genocide?

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Ok, well thank you bringing this to my attention; no, I'm not referring to anything like this at all.

I'm referring to this: Genocide - Wikipedia

Is that the only example you have, or do you have any other examples you can provide?

Let me debate the meta of this debate: Is genocide as bad an objective fact or a subjective norm?
The problem with these debate are the words are in effect cultural, sub-culutural and even individually subjective as the words have no objective referent.

So we end in that we both are in effect subjective for what we would consider genocide or even in the broad sense moral.
For which this defnition of religion come into play:
Religion is the most intensive and comprehensive method of valuing that is experienced by humankind.

Now for the word value that could cover ideiology and thus it could be considered religious.
So I am not going to ply this game of ideology, religion and genocide with you as you want it played.
You play by your rules and I play by mine.
 

anotherneil

Active Member
Potential lovers’ quarrels with Dear Leaders from other countries?

White Supremacy here in America has a genocidal history. That’s what is being channeled.

The whole notion of an illegal person and an illegal culture is a White Supremacist notion with a long history here in America.
I don't know what you're trying to say, and this isn't a one-on-one private conversation. There are others posting on this thread, and there's the public audience that's reading this thread on the web; they might not know what you're talking about, either.

I didn't post this thread on a games & riddles section of the forum.

My patience is not unlimited & I'm getting closer to putting you on ignore - please be articulate in a plain & straight manner.
 
I don't know what you're trying to say, and this isn't a one-on-one private conversation. There are others posting on this thread, and there's the public audience that's reading this thread on the web; they might not know what you're talking about, either.

I didn't post this thread on a games & riddles section of the forum.

My patience is not unlimited & I'm getting closer to putting you on ignore - please be articulate in a plain & straight manner.

When they come for you, and decide to cage your children and send you back to Spain, will you put them on ignore as well?
 

anotherneil

Active Member
You referred to this example in your OP.

You voted for that example twice.

Are you going to vote for it again?
I'm hispanic; my mother immigrated here legally from South America.

All countries have laws pertaining to their borders and gaining entry illegally, and none of them call that genocide.

My mother told me that many illegal aliens who enter the US come here to work and not necessarily to immigrate. She knows this from associating with the hispanic community, which includes individuals who enter into the US illegally, work here for a few months, go back home the rest of the year, then come back again the next year to work. She does not support illegal aliens entering into the US, and she likes Trump.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I'm hispanic; my mother immigrated here legally from South America.

All countries have laws pertaining to their borders and gaining entry illegally, and none of them call that genocide.

My mother told me that many illegal aliens who enter the US come here to work and not necessarily to immigrate. She knows this from associating with the hispanic community, which includes individuals who enter into the US illegally, work here for a few months, go back home the rest of the year, then come back again the next year to work. She does not support illegal aliens entering into the US, and she likes Trump.

Well, genocide aside. That work practice is fuelled by capitalism and not the government.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
I don't know (or remember?) anything about a connection or association between Trump & Tik-Tok.
Trump position on anything is fungible, he wanted to ban Tiktok cuz it was Chinee but then he met with a potential donor and suddenly it is about free speech and Biden's fault that the republican Congress wants to ban Tiktok.
This is just the latest example of his values.
Well it certainly isn't popular with the mainstream media, and from the perspective of someone running for public office, he's going to want to pledge to deliver what voters demand & this can apply to any politician.
Yeah that is the problem, he has no position, only what he thinks will get him votes.
Anyhow, does his audience support or oppose genocide?
This is a question for you not us, you voted for him, you are his audience.
This may have some bearing to what I said, but you'll have to be more specific; what's your point? This, in itself, doesn't amount to anything more than incidental trivia.
My point is simply that thinks Trump implying anyone has more wealth than they have actually deserve because of shady practices is anything other than the pot calling the kettle black has not been paying any attention to Trump at all.

Trump has no principle except self interest, if he thinks genocide would be good for him he would be all for it.
 

anotherneil

Active Member
Let me debate the meta of this debate: Is genocide as bad an objective fact or a subjective norm?
The problem with these debate are the words are in effect cultural, sub-culutural and even individually subjective as the words have no objective referent.

So we end in that we both are in effect subjective for what we would consider genocide or even in the broad sense moral.
For which this defnition of religion come into play:
Religion is the most intensive and comprehensive method of valuing that is experienced by humankind.

Now for the word value that could cover ideiology and thus it could be considered religious.
So I am not going to ply this game of ideology, religion and genocide with you as you want it played.
You play by your rules and I play by mine.
Whatever floats your boat, but I created this thread, so if there's anyone who would need to be consulted about aspects of the topic, then that would only be me.

I think the OP is quite straightforward; either Trump has publicly addressed the issue of genocide, or he hasn't, and if he has, then I want to see what it is.
 
I'm hispanic; my mother immigrated here legally from South America.

All countries have laws pertaining to their borders and gaining entry illegally, and none of them call that genocide.

My mother told me that many illegal aliens who enter the US come here to work and not necessarily to immigrate. She knows this from associating with the hispanic community, which includes individuals who enter into the US illegally, work here for a few months, go back home the rest of the year, then come back again the next year to work. She does not support illegal aliens entering into the US, and she likes Trump.

So it’s cultural.

Passed down from generation to generation, here in America.

Your mother brought those values with her to the land of my birth.

South America has a 500 year history of White Supremacy.

Where do you think your mother got this notion of an illegal person and an illegal culture in the first place?

It comes from South America.

Not just North America.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Whatever floats your boat, but I created this thread, so if there's anyone who would need to be consulted about aspects of the topic, then that would only be me.

I think the OP is quite straightforward; either Trump has publicly addressed the issue of genocide, or he hasn't, and if he has, then I want to see what it is.

Okay, fair enoigh. I don't know if he has. And I don't care, because I can't tell if he means something as such or are just say what he believes his voters want to hear.
He is a politician, remember.
 

anotherneil

Active Member
Well, genocide aside. That work practice is fuelled by capitalism and not the government.
Well, no, genocide is an inherent part of the topic of this thread.

I'd say that the existence of government (at least as we know it today) is driven by capitalism, but - regardless - it's the government's responsibility to manage its border.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Well, no, genocide is an inherent part of the topic of this thread.

I'd say that the existence of government (at least as we know it today) is driven by capitalism, but - regardless - it's the government's responsibility to manage its border.

And the responsiblity of a person not to hire an illeagal worker.
 

anotherneil

Active Member
Trump position on anything is fungible, he wanted to ban Tiktok cuz it was Chinee but then he met with a potential donor and suddenly it is about free speech and Biden's fault that the republican Congress wants to ban Tiktok.
This is just the latest example of his values.

Yeah that is the problem, he has no position, only what he thinks will get him votes.

This is a question for you not us, you voted for him, you are his audience.

My point is simply that thinks Trump implying anyone has more wealth than they have actually deserve because of shady practices is anything other than the pot calling the kettle black has not been paying any attention to Trump at all.

Trump has no principle except self interest, if he thinks genocide would be good for him he would be all for it.
Who's "us"? I haven't voted for him yet for 2024, and I have this doubt that I'm the only one who's concerned about supporting or condoning genocide and whether to vote for Trump or independent/3rd party.

When an employer is screening candidates to hire, they're interested in finding the ones who will do the job - properly; they're not interested in what their principles are & in fact getting a job is about the self-serving interest of getting a steady paycheck, to put a roof over their heads and food on their plates for themselves and their families. In a similar vein, when I'm deciding who to vote for, I'm interested in who will do the job - properly.

To me, part of that includes where he stands on the issue of genocide, and that involves hearing him publicly disclose his position on it. This is what the essence of this thread is about.
 
Well, no, genocide is an inherent part of the topic of this thread.

I'd say that the existence of government (at least as we know it today) is driven by capitalism, but - regardless - it's the government's responsibility to manage its border.

Part of being an American is welcoming the stranger.

It’s a fundamental part of Americanism.

Remember, wars were fought right here in America over these issues.

Centuries ago.

Do you want to re-fight those wars with 21st century weapons, just to redefine what it means to be an American?

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Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Who's "us"? I haven't voted for him yet for 2024, and I have this doubt that I'm the only one who's concerned about supporting or condoning genocide and whether to vote for Trump or independent/3rd party.

When an employer is screening candidates to hire, they're interested in finding the ones who will do the job - properly; they're not interested in what their principles are & in fact getting a job is about the self-serving interest of getting a steady paycheck, to put a roof over their heads and food on their plates for themselves and their families. In a similar vein, when I'm deciding who to vote for, I'm interested in who will do the job - properly.

To me, part of that includes where he stands on the issue of genocide, and that involves hearing him publicly disclose his position on it. This is what the essence of this thread is about.
I think that your OP question has been answered several times by people on this thread already (and No, I have no idea where @Banach-Tarski Paradox is trying to take things.). :oops:

Anyway, Trump will allow and even promote genocide...... IF he feels that he, personally, will benefit from the deaths and horrors of others.
He is senile and corrupt to the very core. He is quite clearly confused about most things, and usually even about the topic that he is currently discussing: and he is completely unconcerned about that; just as he is unconcerned about the people of Gaza, or Israel, or of the USA, or the existence of the USA as a nation.

I would not call him inherently Evil.
Just absolutely Amoral.
He doesn't care if millions die. He doesn't care if Democracy crumbles. He doesn't care if his own armies are slaughtered...... as long as any and all of those things bring him money, power, and fame. :shrug:
 

anotherneil

Active Member
So it’s cultural.

Passed down from generation to generation, here in America.

Your mother brought those values with her to the land of my birth.

South America has a 500 year history of White Supremacy.

Where do you think your mother got this notion of an illegal person and an illegal culture in the first place?

It comes from South America.

Not just North America.
Loaded question; my mother doesn't have any notions of illegal people or illegal cultures.

The biggest part of my ancestry on my mother's side is from Europe - mainly Spain. One of our ancestors was a Spanish field marshal and one of the last Spanish Viceroys in South America. She told me that she watched a documentary about him and the things he did, and she said that what he did was horrible.

I don't know if he specifically was responsible for any genocide, but in general the Spanish empire for a time spread throughout North and South America and dominated most of both, and was responsible for incidents of genocide throughout both.

If anything, it would be one reason for why I oppose genocide, but it shouldn't be necessary for anyone to have a viceroy as an ancestor who did horrible things in order to have a problem with genocide & if anything, it's also a reason for why I oppose monarchism.

I think humanity ought to do away with monarchies throughout the world; they're nothing but systems of soft slavery (their nobility does nothing other than oppress & mooch off of everyone else), and they have quite a historical track record & reputation for genocide.

Aside from genocide by European empires here in North & South America, there are also cases of treaty violations; I think that's also wrong, and when I hear of cases of the US government imposing recreational substance bans on indigenous tribal nation communities (aka Indian or Native American reservations) here in the US, it not only infringes on their autonomy, but also - of all things - on their 1st Amendment freedom of religion, and I think that's also wrong.

Anyhow, building walls along borders is not genocide, just like locking the doors to your own home is not genocide.
 

anotherneil

Active Member
Okay, fair enoigh. I don't know if he has. And I don't care, because I can't tell if he means something as such or are just say what he believes his voters want to hear.
He is a politician, remember.
Yes, that is true and it's a good point. Even though politicians have a reputation for broken promises, it can still have an impact against them.

Take, for example Mr. George "read my lips no new taxes" H.W. Bush; breaking that promise may be what cost him his 2nd term, but losing re-election isn't the only thing that can be at stake for a politician.

If Trump gets elected, then breaks a promise, he won't have a 3rd term to lose, but he does have much more at stake than the average person as someone with many financially large business interests & it would taint his reputation and adversely affect current and future business partnerships, loans, etc.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Yes, that is true and it's a good point. Even though politicians have a reputation for broken promises, it can still have an impact against them.

Take, for example Mr. George "read my lips no new taxes" H.W. Bush; breaking that promise may be what cost him his 2nd term, but losing re-election isn't the only thing that can be at stake for a politician.

If Trump gets elected, then breaks a promise, he won't have a 3rd term to lose, but he does have much more at stake than the average person as someone with many financially large business interests & it would taint his reputation and adversely affect current and future business partnerships, loans, etc.

Well, Trump has floated that he would like a 3rd term.
 
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