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Where Do You Think The Turmoil In Venezuela Is Going
- Thread starter esmith
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The civil war has basically already started, it's just a matter of execution now.
There is simply no way the current leadership will remain intact, they have more guns but honestly there are just so many more people in the country than the military that it's just a matter of time.
Do you think this is going to be another Somalia incident?
BSM1
What? Me worry?
The civil war has basically already started, it's just a matter of execution now.
There is simply no way the current leadership will remain intact, they have more guns but honestly there are just so many more people in the country than the military that it's just a matter of time.
It may have to start as some sort of a guerrilla movement or civil uprising and then gather support from outside countries (or, God help us, the UN).
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think what we should have been doing is to try and arrange a strategy with the countries that neighbor or have any dealings with Venezuela, tell them we'll help them even militarily if push comes to shove, and then go from there. However, that's not Trump's "style". If we don't do that, then the alternative choices are terrible: we do nothing, or we go in alone, or war breaks out in that region.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
What's this got to do with 'Trump's style'? Name one country that Trump has invaded up to this point.
"From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependency back again into bondage." - Dr. Alexander Tytler
Seems they are kind of in bondage, being held in bondage by their government, so likely the emergence of some spiritual leader. Someone to rally the folks to throw off the shackles of their oppressor.
esmith
Veteran Member
The UN will never happen; China and Russia will veto any military action
Evil Canadians?
I don't have one (at least not an informed one), but a colleague of mine is Venezuelan, has a brother still there and visits regularly.
I'm going to ask him.
It strikes me that this is probably more rare in Australia than it would be in the States!
Well...I might have misread, but I thought that was the point being made. That Trump won't go in via proxies.
The point of dissension might be around whether that's laudable or not.
Personally, I don't think American use of proxies through history has led to positive long term outcomes, but every case has to be judged in its merits.
I wouldn't be rushing in without broad support and sharing if responsibility.
That's part of the issue we're facing. Any kind of intervention on our part could be met with counter-intervention from other outside powers.
I think military intervention is out of the question, but there may be other things we can do. We can work with other South American countries - perhaps they might offer to help mediate. They may not necessarily trust the U.S., but perhaps there are neutral parties in other countries which might help mediate the dispute. At least they should try, since the only other alternative seems to be escalating into a full-blown civil war. The whole country seems to be falling apart.
In any case, I can't see why they would burn any food or other humanitarian aid. I can't even see China or Russia voting against humanitarian aid.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Civil war! So Funny! LOL! Human suffering!The civil war has basically already started, it's just a matter of execution now.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Besides Syria and Yemen?
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Trump's been talking about military action in Venezuela for a while now, and Bolton sure seems keen for it. I hate to sound conspiratorial, but I'm fairly certain this has been a foregone conclusion for some time, since Obama was in power, in fact. It's just a matter of waiting for sufficient justification to materialise. Or be engineered, if you're feeling cynical.
I'm surprised no one's told us they have weapons of mass destruction and are defying UN weapons inspectors.
I'm surprised no one's told us they have weapons of mass destruction and are defying UN weapons inspectors.
I don't think the US would be able to easily get away with unilateral military action against Venezuela, not without some sort of valid pretext. I don't think they could engineer any kind of coup either, since the military seems to back Maduro at present. They might try to do something like what was done with the Nicaraguan Contras. That way the US can officially claim "non-involvement," but no one will actually believe it.
Shad
Veteran Member