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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by questfortruth, Mar 30, 2022.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    We see this world. Where did the world come from? Atheist: I don't know. Theist: from God. Since there is no third option, then God exists.

    There is no third option and there never will be, because Atheism cannot be proven. Atheism is the absence of the need for miracles. After all, the more we learn about science, the more we realize that we do not know anything yet. Therefore, the scientific search is endless. And if so, then the "God of the Gaps" will never be killed. There will always be a time and place for miracles. "We can live only in two ways: A. thinking, that there are no miracles, or B. believing, that everything is a miracle" (Albert Einstein).

    The wording. The wording "God exists, God is not person, God is rock, God is Moon, God is water, God is Zeus,..." means Theism.
    The wording "God does not exist (because there is no proof of God)" means Atheism.
     
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    For you, there is no third option because you limit your thinking to "because God" or GodDidIt."
     
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    Its ok you believe so @questfortruth but can you honestly sa everyone has to believe exactly as you do?
     
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    I find from the God of the Bible because when God sends forth His spirit things are created - Psalms 104:30
     
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    Where did world come from?

    Accretion soon after the sun formed and made of from the left over dust and gas from the suns formation
     
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  7. questfortruth

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    It is my Church. Society lives using rules and laws, hence, the freedom of thinking is the thinking within the rules and laws.
     
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    Lets assume that whatever created the Universe always existed, but is not intelligent.

    Wouldn't that be a third option?
     
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    RF is not governed or limited by the rules and laws of your Church.
     
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    You cannot just say there is no third option. You need to demonstrate there are no other options, all other options are false or give good evidence God is the cause.
     
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    Thank goodness...
     
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    Without going into a detailed answer to you can I just point out a few things ...

    1 "I don't know" is a good answer, it is far superior to making up the answer. If we knew everything, science and research could be ended.
    2. Atheism doesn't have to be proven, atheism is simply a lack of belief in gods.
    3. Atheism says nothing about miracles. However, science do not accept miracles as an explanation. Miracles can either be explained (such as the many examples of weeping Madonna statues) or have no evidence that they ever happened
    4. Regarding the Einstein quote, can I refer you to this page ... https://fakebuddhaquotes.com/debunking-fake-albert-einstein-quotes/ which explains that Einstein never said such a thing.
     
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    How silly.
     
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    Atheism is the absence of the need for miracles.
     
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    The theists are not making up answer, they talk to God every day and He talks back.
     
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    In that case you can say that anything that is created proves theism right, that doesn't really work. A God is usually perceived as being intelligent, otherwise we might as well refer to a rock as being the creator because we wouldn't be able to see the difference.

    That would make the whole term theism irrelevant at best and more likely completely ridiculous.
     
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    Non sequitur.
     
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    But if atheists are fine with that, its their life.
     
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    Not necessary. To be theist is enough to say "God exists." It is not necessary to add: "God is person."
     
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    That is not what I said either. But could a God be non-intelligent? And if so, how would we tell the difference between such God and a rock?
     
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