metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes, and there are numerous references to that found in the Gospels, Acts, and many of the epistles.
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Where Did This Belief Come From?
- Thread starter Left Coast
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Of course Jesus did Not give them the Tanakh. Jesus said the Tanakh is religious truth - John 17:17.
In other words, the word Tanakh is a Jewish designation for the old Hebrew Scriptures.
The three (3) divisions of the Jewish Scriptures. Torah the Law, Nevim the prophets, Kethuvim the writings. (TaNaKh)
Those long-existing writings of the old Hebrew Scriptures is what Jesus based his teachings on them.
Yes, John 17:17 is reference to those old Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus used logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures on which to base his teachings.
Read verse 14. In context, he's talking about a word he gave them. If he didn't give them the Tanakh, which we just agreed he didn't, then the word he's talking about isn't the Tanakh.
The Tanakh is considered as God's word (Hebrew Scripture) so, by Jesus saying God's word is truth, Jesus was saying the old Hebrew Scriptures ' Tanakh ' is religious truth at John 17:17
So, the 'word' Jesus gave them was the word or the Tanakh of John 17:14
- Psalms 119:160 - ' thy word is true ' (God's word is true )
Yes, I know that. The entire point of this conversation is that that assumption is not actually found in the verses you're citing. You are importing an assumption from outside the text into the text. Which doesn't make it wrong, by the way. It simply means you need to recognize that you're not just reading the Bible and only deriving your beliefs verbatim from that. You are bringing in interpretive assumptions to the text before you ever open it.
You also just contradicted yourself - after acknowledging that Jesus did not give them the Tanakh, you're now trying to twist it as though he did. No, sorry, he did not, as you already acknowledged.
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the thing is this: Jesus did not give the Tanakh but God did and God is in Jesus.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Why should I care what they think?
Sirona
Hindu Wannabe
Some people may care about what others think about them. Some may like the admiration they get when they recite the texts in question.
syo
Well-Known Member
It depends... Which belief?
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
What if the Bible is untrue? Too many Christians would tell God He has to kowtow to the Bible.
InChrist
Free4ever
If the Bible is untrue then it should be disregarded along with all other deceptive, pseudo- spiritual stuff. But I think the Bible demonstrates itself to be true, to be God’s revealed Word to anyone one who sincerely seeks and has stood the test of time. As well as endured the onslaught of attacks from skeptics for centuries.
74x12
Well-Known Member
No, they just shouldn't contradict it.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
But it’s only an impressive memorization. The scripture isn’t God.
Bree
Active Member
If you believe that the bible is God word, then yes you should base your beliefs on it and should be able to show where those beliefs are state in scripture in order to prove they are Gods teachings and not your own.
2Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,* for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
Romans 15:4 For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction,+ so that through our endurance+ and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.++
2Timothy 2:15 Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright.+
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe more often they would tell God He should agree with their false interpretation of the Bible.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
And who decides what is a false interpretation and which interpretation is correct? You?
Dogknox20
Well-Known Member
Left Coast good to meet you..
Scriptures tell you "The Holy Body of Jesus his Church is our Guide" IF.....
Left Coast if you believe the bible you will listen to the Church! The Church came long before the bible did... FACT....
Left Coast fact is the Holy Church made the bible, she alone was the AUTHORITY that decided the inspired letters and weeded out the many phony letters that were NOT inspired words of God.. She put ONLY the truly inspired words of God into her book she named "The Bible"!
Matthew 18 Listen to the Church or be treated as a Pagan!
John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever-
The Holy Spirit is guiding God' Holy Church!
John 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
The Holy Spirit is guiding God' Holy Church into all truth!
John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Jesus is ALWAYS with his Holy Bride to the very end of time.. This means he is still with his church today.. There is NO NEED for man to form anew Jesus' holy body he never lost his Church His Church does NOT need to be re-Formed!
Matthew 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Matthew 16.. Jesus built his church on ROCK not on sand it will never ever fail! TO THINK....
Left Coast to think Jesus failed, to think the Church Jesus established on ROCK fell is to call Jesus a fool!
Matthew 7:26
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
Muffled
Jesus in me
God, who speaks through me.
Dogknox20
Well-Known Member
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Muffled.. The Holy Spirit speaks through the Church!
Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”