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Featured Where did the words written in the Bible come from?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by IAMinyou, Sep 2, 2020.

  1. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    But you believe your denomination is pretty much perfect, right?

    Sorry to be sarcastic, but claims like this are a dime-a-dozen here at RF-- although maybe a sale is coming soon! :eek:
     
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    I cook in traditional Indian style, making a masala from various spices and herbs.
    I am a lover of herbs and spices. Something as simple as toast can become a delicious treat.
    I don’t eat any processed food (well, very rarely) so creating flavour is an essential skill.
     
  3. IAMinyou

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    Babylon is just a symbolic name for the World we're all experiencing from Satan and the Beast. This world will be destroyed on the day of the Lord as planned by our Creator.

    Revelation 18
    1: After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority; and the earth was made bright with his splendor.
    2: And he called out with a mighty voice, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! It has become a dwelling place of demons, a haunt of every foul spirit, a haunt of every foul and hateful bird;
    3: for all nations have drunk the wine of her impure passion, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich with the wealth of her wantonness."
    4: Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
    5: for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
    6: Render to her as she herself has rendered, and repay her double for her deeds; mix a double draught for her in the cup she mixed.
    7: As she glorified herself and played the wanton, so give her a like measure of torment and mourning. Since in her heart she says, `A queen I sit, I am no widow, mourning I shall never see,'
    8: so shall her plagues come in a single day, pestilence and mourning and famine, and she shall be burned with fire; for mighty is the Lord God who judges her."
    9: And the kings of the earth, who committed fornication and were wanton with her, will weep and wail over her when they see the smoke of her burning;
    10: they will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, "Alas! alas! thou great city, thou mighty city, Babylon! In one hour has thy judgment come."
    11: And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn for her, since no one buys their cargo any more,
    12: cargo of gold, silver, jewels and pearls, fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet, all kinds of scented wood, all articles of ivory, all articles of costly wood, bronze, iron and marble,
    13: cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and slaves, that is, human souls.
    14: "The fruit for which thy soul longed has gone from thee, and all thy dainties and thy splendor are lost to thee, never to be found again!"
    15: The merchants of these wares, who gained wealth from her, will stand far off, in fear of her torment, weeping and mourning aloud,
    16: "Alas, alas, for the great city that was clothed in fine linen, in purple and scarlet, bedecked with gold, with jewels, and with pearls!
    17: In one hour all this wealth has been laid waste." And all shipmasters and seafaring men, sailors and all whose trade is on the sea, stood far off
    18: and cried out as they saw the smoke of her burning, "What city was like the great city?"
    19: And they threw dust on their heads, as they wept and mourned, crying out, "Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth! In one hour she has been laid waste.
    20: Rejoice over her, O heaven, O saints and apostles and prophets, for God has given judgment for you against her!"
    21: Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "So shall Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and shall be found no more;
    22: and the sound of harpers and minstrels, of flute players and trumpeters, shall be heard in thee no more; and a craftsman of any craft shall be found in thee no more; and the sound of the millstone shall be heard in thee no more;
    23: and the light of a lamp shall shine in thee no more; and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall be heard in thee no more; for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, and all nations were deceived by thy sorcery.
    24: And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth."

    Matthew 24
    14: And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.

    Isaiah 24
    18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
    19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
    20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

    Ezekiel 38
    19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
    20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

    2 Peter 3
    1 This is now the second letter that I have written to you, beloved, and in both of them I have aroused your sincere mind by way of reminder;
    2 that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles.
    3 First of all you must understand this, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own passions
    4 and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation."
    5 They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water,
    6 through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
    7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
    8 But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
    9 The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
    10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
    11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
    12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!

    Isaiah 66
    15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
    16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

    Zephaniah 1
    18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.

    Jeremiah 4
    22: "For my people are foolish, they know me not; they are stupid children, they have no understanding. They are skilled in doing evil, but how to do good they know not."
    23: I looked on the earth, and lo, it was waste and void; and to the heaven, and they had no light.
    24: I looked on the mountains, and lo, they were quaking, and all the hills moved to and fro.
    25: I looked, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the air had fled.
    26: I looked, and lo, the fruitful land was a desert, and all its cities were laid in ruins before the LORD, before his fierce anger.
    27: For thus says the LORD, "The whole land shall be a desolation; yet I will not make a full end.
    28: For this the earth shall mourn, and the heavens above be black; for I have spoken, I have purposed; I have not relented nor will I turn back."
     
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    What denomination? I don't belong to liars who are involved in the religions on Earth.
     
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    Actually "Babylon the Great" (or just "Babylon") was used as a cloaked reference to the Roman Empire, and "Babylona" (feminine) was a reference to the city of Rome as those terms were in common usage back near the end of the 1st century.
     
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    Can I hire you to be my cook? LOL !!! I'm sure I would enjoy every bite of your Indian food. I love those spices they use except for black pepper. I used to eat way too much of it and now my stomach can't handle it
     
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    You have a lot to learn my friend. I know why you're avoiding the true interpretations from our Creator.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Does that include the apostles, as they were the organizers and the ones who appointed others to lead the Church? I don't think they'd like to be called "liars", but then what do I know?
     
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    Any true biblical scholar NEVER would make the claim you just did above, as certainty is the enemy of good scholarship. On top of that, you virtually blew off the terminology that was used that I stated in my previous post that we know existed near the end of the 1st century from other sources.

    IOW, maybe take a humble-pill once in a while.
     
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    Apostle's, prophets and saints are just names of human beings used by our Creator to testify to HIS INVISIBLE IMAGE known as; Word of God, Word of the Lord, Son of God, Grace of God, Love of God, Wisdom of God, Voice of God, Voice of the Lord, Spirit of God, Spirit, Lord, God, Holy Spirit, Messiah, Mother, the Woman, Creation, Virgin, Son of God, Heaven, Heavenly Kingdom, Kingdom of God, Christ, Mind of Christ, Mind of God, Kingdom of Christ, Jesus Christ, Ancient of Days, Light of Men, Light of God, the Light, Kingdom of the Spirit, the Rock, the Breath, Breath of Life, Book of Life, and the Tree of Life. There are other's I haven't mentioned in this writing.

    Anyone reading and studying the Bible without being chosen as a saint during this 1000 year reign of Christ who testifies to the INVISIBLE created existence in the IMAGE of our CREATOR is a liar. A liar uses his own interpretations that he gets from Satan and the Beast and tries to teach those interpretations to others who listen to those lies.
     
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    What is a true biblical scholar? That is someone who has never obeyed the Voice of God which is the only way to be led to the Truth.
     
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    Believe what you want to believe, I guess, plus the use of stereotypes with subsequent condemnations violates Jesus' most basic message to "love one another as I have loved you". If your church teaches you that creating stereotypes and then throwing insults around like candy is somehow Christian, let me recommend that you find a church that actually teaches what Jesus actually told us to do and be like.

    And maybe read the classic book "Imitation of Christ" by Thomas Kempis, as it teaches how a person who truly believes in Christ should act.
     
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