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Where Did Christian Asceticism Come From?

TTCUSM

Member
Namaste Everyone,

I was doing some Googling on Alexander the Great's expedition to India.
Many of you probably know that Alexander had a conversation with some Hindu Brahmins, where he learns about the Brahmins' lifestyle.

Apparently, this encounter would have a significant impact on Western religious thought:

One more version of the Alexander-Dandamis meeting, similar to that of the Geneva papyrus, appears in a popular Christian paraphrase of the 4th century which is attributed (probably wrongly) to the 2nd-century historian Arrianos. {Thus the author is called Pseudo-Arrianos} This account begins with a discourse by the Brahmins, who advocate a life-style that satisfies only the minimum physical needs; they attack riches, luxury, and the perversions of Greek life. Their [73] fellow-ascetic Kalanos (the same who later burned himself to death at Susa) becomes the target of harsh criticism for having joined the side of "riches" by adhering to Alexander's army. The Brahmins describe their mode of life: they live in forests and dress in leaves, sleep on bare ground, observe chastity and silence, abstain from meat and cooked food, nourish themselves only on fruits of the earth and drink only river water. They continually sing hymns, despise pleasures of the flesh, and fight an uninterrupterl war against the senses. The text then describes Onesikritos' visit to Dandamis, who refuses an audience with Alexander on the ground that a wise man desires nothing. Nature already furnishes him with everything he needs, says Dandamis. Threats are unable to change his mind: he does not fear death, which is merely liberation from the flesh. Thereupon Alexander goes personally to meet the holy man, who invites him to abandon the world and find tranquility in a life of renunciation. Again Alexander refuses, citing the responsibilities of his position. Nonetheless he admires the Brahmins and offers them presents, which they refuse. The Brahmins compliment Alexander on his love of wisdom; he in turn praises Dandamis' opinions. The message of the text is clear: Alexander approves of the ascetics' life-style. Only practical considerations prevent him from imitating it himself. Pseudo-Arrianos' treatise is extant in numerous Greek and Latin manuscripts - sure witness to its wide dissemination. Without question its influence was closely linked to the growing popularity of Christian monasticism in the 4th century. The Brahmins' opinions as given in this text not only conform to Cynic-Stoic ideas, but also to the views of important Fathers of the Church. In fact, Pseudo-Arrianos became favorite reading in Christian monasteries both West and East - welcome support from pagans in defense of a Christian-ascetic mode of life.
 

kaisersose

Active Member
...they live in forests and dress in leaves, sleep on bare ground, observe chastity and silence, abstain from meat and cooked food, nourish themselves only on fruits of the earth and drink only river water. They continually sing hymns, despise pleasures of the flesh, and fight an uninterrupterl war against the senses

There was a time when I thought this was cool. Now, it appears to be unintelligent to be going against nature, as they do.
 

Satsangi

Active Member
Asceticism path is not for everyone. Transcending the senses including the mind, intellect and ego is not easy and would sound unintelligent especially if one's inclination is the path of Grihasthashram (which is also a bona fide path).

One unrelated thought. Why is Alexander "the great" and not Napolean or other such characters? My thought is that none of them were "great"; they were just killers who killed for their egos and desires. Only the winner writes histories for "students" and they coin the character as they would like the "student" to learn.

Regards,
 

kaisersose

Active Member
Yes, nothing great about Alexander. He was just another megalomaniac whose ambitions resulted in death and suffering for countless people.

The title comes from Persia. Earlier Persian emperors like Cyrus, Darius, etc., called themselves "The Great" and therefore Alexander was given a similar title when he conquered Persia.
 
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