Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
What exactly does this have to do with my post?I love hoe Evangelist support atheism. Christian Evangelicals always do their best to ensure that people remain atheists.
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where are the differences between Anti-theistic and Atheistic
- Thread starter ratikala
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Bunyip
pro scapegoat
why not? A theist trying to spread the word is obviously fighting against disbelief.
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram Liis ji
excuse my keeping it short it is late , ...however I might come back to some points later ...
I have no problem in accepting anothers veiws , however I still question on what such veiws are based , ...
why should your veiw shock me ?
does my veiw shock you ?
not all but many , yes , ...yes I am sure !
that is allright I wouldent expect you to understand , these are personal experiences .
not overtly ,
excuse my keeping it short it is late , ...however I might come back to some points later ...
I have no problem in accepting anothers veiws , however I still question on what such veiws are based , ...
why should your veiw shock me ?
does my veiw shock you ?
not all but many , yes , ...yes I am sure !
that is allright I wouldent expect you to understand , these are personal experiences .
not overtly ,
yes it works for me , and in that respect I went for it a long time ago , Antitheism as a veiw dosent trouble me personaly , but it does have effects these effects trouble me , ...again not in a personal way but because I see it trouble others and I see it attempting to undermine Theism .
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
Promoting one idea does not necessitate fighting against another.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Indeed, and that is true for both sides. To be anti-theist does not necessitate fighting anyone any more than being theist does.
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
To be an anti-theist is by definition to be against theism. This is the point I am trying to get across.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Sure, and to be a proselytizing theist is to be anti-atheist.
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
Please show how proselytizing must be, by definition, anti-atheist. Explain your reasoning.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Well because it is an activity directed towards reducing the incidence of atheism.
Proselytizing is by definition acting against disbelief.
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
You have not proven this statement. You need to show some actual evidence that all proselytization has a primary goal of reducing atheism.
So then atheists would never proselytise?
Why do atheists proselytize?
Proselytize - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Why do atheists proselytize?
Proselytize - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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I love hoe Evangelist support atheism. Christian Evangelicals always do their best to ensure that people remain atheists.
To the best of my knowledge that does not really apply here. Apex is not an Evangelical.
Apex, are you seriously stating that you don't see why calls to accept the Bible (or the Quraan or the Book of Mormon) and their messages that demand belief in the existence of God should not be considered anti-atheistic?
If so, then please tell me which line would they have to cross to be anti-atheistic?
Of course we would, when we felt that it would be for the best.
Atheism is based on disbelief of god's existence, and anti-theism on the belief that people would be better off not believin in deities.
It is really that simple.
It really should not. But your testimonial suggests that nevertheless it does. I'm trying to understand why.
I would not call it shocking me. It does disappoint me slightly, though, and puzzles me somewhat more.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. I am personally certain that belief in God is both one of the least telling traits of people and one of the least indicative of general morality and character.
I thought one of the main goals of yours while creating this thread was to enable us to understand at least a bit?
It is very odd that you think so at all. Lack of experience is not at all an advantage, except perhaps that it may somewhat spare people from certain biases and conditionings.
Fair enough.
I feel a bit frustrated because try as I may, I can't really understand how that may possibly happen.
Of course anti-theism attempts to undermine theism. That is the whole point.
Much as, say, Advaita attempts to undermine dualism, or Karma Yoga attempts to undermine bad behavior.
Why anyone would see that as a problem I just don't know.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I am using an analogy. I am pointing out that Evangelicals are equally comparable to "anti-atheism" which is an alternative flip coin of anti-theism
Ratikala, maybe you feel that it is is some sense, for whatever reason wrong to actively discourage people from believing in God?
Perhaps because, sight unseen, you would expect belief in God to have a better chance to be helpful and constructive than its absence?
If so, then it seems to me that you have a call or two to make.
How certain and how strongly to you feel about that, and how does that certainty compare to your desire to respect the anti-theists' own judgements?
Because far as I can see, there is no helping that. Opposing anti-theism or even just disapproving of it involves deciding that your feelings on the matter are more informed or more important than our own choices of opposing theism.
It does not have to be a big deal, but it is a direct opposition that can't be reconciled except perhaps by one or both sides deciding that it is not worth the trouble to keep caring about the matter.
Perhaps because, sight unseen, you would expect belief in God to have a better chance to be helpful and constructive than its absence?
If so, then it seems to me that you have a call or two to make.
How certain and how strongly to you feel about that, and how does that certainty compare to your desire to respect the anti-theists' own judgements?
Because far as I can see, there is no helping that. Opposing anti-theism or even just disapproving of it involves deciding that your feelings on the matter are more informed or more important than our own choices of opposing theism.
It does not have to be a big deal, but it is a direct opposition that can't be reconciled except perhaps by one or both sides deciding that it is not worth the trouble to keep caring about the matter.
arthra
Baha'i
I was thinking that atheism is simply not believing in God... while anti-theism would be more of an aggressive attack of belief in God... that could mean a militant and systematic attack on religion and could have various forms.
I had some Hindu friends some years ago and we were quite close.. I recall a discussion we had about the term "Gnostic". A Gnostic is someone who knows...It could be a knower of say spiritual truth but in Sanskrit there is a term a good deal like Gnostic... The term is "Nastik" and means someone who rejects belief in God.or in this case of Hinduism rejects the Vedas and the Devas.
Eventually we got the terms straightened out..but it was interesting!
I had some Hindu friends some years ago and we were quite close.. I recall a discussion we had about the term "Gnostic". A Gnostic is someone who knows...It could be a knower of say spiritual truth but in Sanskrit there is a term a good deal like Gnostic... The term is "Nastik" and means someone who rejects belief in God.or in this case of Hinduism rejects the Vedas and the Devas.
Eventually we got the terms straightened out..but it was interesting!
That seems extreme to the point of dishonor. How would you call someone who makes a point of mentioning, say, about once a week that he thinks everyone would be better off letting go of belief in God? Is that anti-theism?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I have seen in films that only the evil souls of vampires and demons die with their death. As an non-superstitious atheist, I do not believe in existence of souls. How come an anti-theist like you believes in them?Yes we do indeed have souls. They just don't fly off when we die. They die along with the Anti-theist or unless the Global Anti-Theistic Society of Earth decides to keep us on life support